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Russia v Ukraine


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25 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Who told you that?

 

Pretty sure Putin said it was you.

 

It may have been Britain actually. Probably was. Think it was Truss. So apologies for that. If my mate Putes said it who am I to cast doubt. 

 

In seriousness it was probably one of the few tines he was telling the truth.

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2 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Quite a feat for a country who has, well, no Navy to speak of.

 

 

The Ukraine blows up as much Russian Naval tonnage as Russian Shipyards manage to Build

 

Most of the world’s leading navies are getting bigger—a lot bigger—by one key metric: tonnage.

But not the Russian navy. It’s struggling to grow at all, and for one main reason. The Ukrainian navy, which has no large front-line ships, keeps sinking and blowing up Russian vessels.

In losing nearly as much tonnage as it built in 2023, the Russian navy joins an exclusive and embarrassing club of stagnant or shrinking navies. The 886,000-ton Royal Navy also shrank in 2023, which is nothing new for what once was the world’s greatest fleet but in recent decades steadily has withered under the mismanagement of successive governments.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/06/the-ukrainian-navy-blows-up-as-much-russian-naval-tonnage-as-russian-shipyards-manage-to-build/?sh=902ed2c652db

 


What you’ve done here is mate, and it’s an easy mistake to make, you’ve posted something from Forbes. Where you should be hunter gathering your info from is twitter. There’s lads on there, that between the odd post about cats jumping and missing things and shouting into the void about boats arriving, they are delivering hot off the press, front foot information for us all on the Ukraine war. 

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9 minutes ago, Curly said:


What you’ve done here is mate, and it’s an easy mistake to make, you’ve posted something from Forbes. Where you should be hunter gathering your info from is twitter. There’s lads on there, that between the odd post about cats jumping and missing things and shouting into the void about boats arriving, they are delivering hot off the press, front foot information for us all on the Ukraine war. 

 

Forbes are on twitter. The President of the United States puts messages on twitter. 

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6 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Ah Captain Mainwarings back. How's this new stage of Ukrainian recruitment going?  Surprised they've bothering after listening to you. Or have you forgotten again?

 

You've been wrong over pretty much everything regarding this war. Swept away on a great big tidal wave of American bullshit. Hope you've checked under your bed for reds this morning. Can't be too careful can we. 

 

That really hurt. I was hoping against hope there would be at least something right, now I am crushed.

But do keep bumping the thread.

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15 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

That really hurt. I was hoping against hope there would be at least something right, now I am crushed.

But do keep bumping the thread.

 

 

No worries Captain.

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7 hours ago, TheSire said:

It's a weird unhealthy obsession with digging up every single negative thing about ukraine, very very little aimed in the opposite direction. It's basically victim blaming.

 

This is Gnasher's modus operandi.

 

Whereas rational people will examine the totality of the facts, then derive an opinion based on that, Gnasher begins with the premise - almost always something along the lines of "West is Bad" - then seeks out any and all sources, regardless of how trustworthy or accurate they may be, that seem to bolster this predecided stance.

 

It's confirmation bias on steroids.

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21 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

This is Gnasher's modus operandi.

 

Whereas rational people will examine the totality of the facts, then derive an opinion based on that, Gnasher begins with the premise - almost always something along the lines of "West is Bad" - then seeks out any and all sources, regardless of how trustworthy or accurate they may be, that seem to bolster this predecided stance.

 

It's confirmation bias on steroids.

 

Spot on Stonts. Can't argue with any of that. I should run them through Nick Clegg.

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Further to recent discussion and for observers of Russian economy (which I still think is the key to how the invasion of Ukraine will unfold further), a thread by former central bank analyst and a pre-war or early war defector. Via Michael Koffman.

Expanded version in her article.    

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/putins-unsustainable-spending-spree

 

TLDR; nothing spectacularly new but a concise overview, short term stability based on subsidies and oil and gas revenues with uncertain midterm future. What I would find interesting and cannot find addressed anywhere is how much Russia has stashed away in sovereign fund(s) and how much are they drawing from there, how long can this be used.

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Another load of weapons gone walkabout. A billion quids worth. Ah well I'm sure they'll end up in good  hands. Anyway the American comical Ali, John Kirby is going to look into it so that's reassuring. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sunak giving Ukraine another 2.5 billion. In the week about a billion pounds worth of ammo has disappeared into thin air. The security deal probably involves him having a mansion in Oxfordshire paid by cash siphoned through the back door for when he gets booted out of office. Similar to the King of Ukraine.

 

Meanwhile they've lost the support of the American nazi crew. Now they'll have to rely on their own.

 

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21 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Sunak giving Ukraine another 2.5 billion. In the week about a billion pounds worth of ammo has disappeared into thin air.

 

 

The Americans not keeping an inventory does not equate to the weapons disappearing into thin air. It just means they can't track them, probably because they have given more than they are declaring. Your implication the Ukrainians have stolen them to sell on the Black Market is pure Russian propaganda.

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1 minute ago, M_B said:

 

The Americans not keeping an inventory does not equate to the weapons disappearing into thin air. It just means they can't track them, probably because they have given more than they are declaring. Your implication the Ukrainians have stolen them to sell on the Black Market is pure Russian propaganda.

 

Aye course it is. Those asking questions to Kirby were also the KGB.

 

"just can't track em" a billion dollars worth. Give over. 

 

 

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Just now, Gnasher said:

 

Aye course it is. Those asking questions to Kirby were also the KGB.

 

"just can't track em" a billion dollars worth. Give over. 

 

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/11/politics/pentagon-tracking-weapons-ukraine-report/index.html

 

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The Pentagon did not properly track $1 billion worth of military equipment sent to Ukraine, according to a watchdog report released on Thursday.

The report from the Pentagon Inspector General says that while the Defense Department has improved its ability to track military aid sent to Ukraine, it “did not fully comply” with requirements and much of the equipment sent is “delinquent,” meaning it’s not possible to complete an inventory of everything sent.

Among the items that are designated for enhanced end-use monitoring (EEUM) are weapons like Javelin and Stinger missiles, night-vision devices, AIM-9X missiles, and Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles. According to the IG report, roughly $1.005 billion of the total $1.699 billion of equipment subject to end-use monitoring was not inventoried as of June 2023.

 

The new report comes at a critical moment for Ukraine aid, as Congress debates whether to authorize a supplemental package of more than $60 billion in aid amid significant Republican opposition. A failure to provide a new package could be damaging to Ukraine’s chances of winning the war after its counteroffensive against Russian forces stalled last year.

The report will likely buttress the stance of Republicans arguing against sending more aid.

Since December 2022, revisions to the inventory process for the Defense Department and Ukrainian Armed Forces resulted in an improvement to the Pentagon’s ability to track the weapons, the report says. But “significant personnel limitations and accountability challenges remain.”

 
 

“Until the DoD resolves these challenges, it will be unable to fully comply with the EEUM program requirements to account for all of the more than $1.699 billion in EEUM‑designated defense articles provided to Ukraine,” the inspector general said in its report.

Indeed, the US’ Office of Defense Cooperation (ODC)-Kyiv said there is “no evidence of unauthorized or illicit transfer of EEUM defense articles provided to Ukraine,” and emphasized personnel limitations as a primary challenge to providing a full inventory of equipment.

“Standard EEUM inventory procedures are not practical in a dynamic and hostile wartime environment,” a letter from ODC-Kyiv said, adding that the “unprecedented volume” of equipment being sent to Ukraine “is beyond the capacity of the limited DoD personnel in country to physically inventory even if access were unrestricted.”

Pentagon spokesman Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said later on Thursday that there is “no credible evidence of illicit diversion of US-provided advanced conventional weapons from Ukraine.”

We do see some instances of Russia continuing to spread disinformation to the contrary, but the fact is, we observe the Ukrainians employing these capabilities on the battlefield,” Ryder said. “We’re seeing them use them effectively, for all the obvious reasons in that Russia continues to present a significant threat to Ukraine’s sovereignty.”

While delinquency could suggest weapons had been stolen or diverted away from Ukrainian forces, the inspector general said it was outside the scope of its probe to determine what had happened to the weapons that were not properly tracked.

“The DoD OIG now has personnel stationed in Ukraine,” the report says, “and the DoD OIG’s Defense Criminal Investigative Service continues to investigate allegations of criminal conduct with regard to U.S. security assistance to Ukraine.”

 

 

 

And here is the report itself.

 

https://media.defense.gov/2024/Jan/11/2003374323/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2024-043-EEMU_REDACTED SECURE.PDF

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Do you honestly think they would  say any different? 

 

 

 

Doesn't matter what they say. The report clearly states a failure by the US to keep an inventory of the items. You took that information and used it to imply the Ukrainians stole the weapons to sell on the black market.

 

So the real question is, why did you choose to do that? 

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12 minutes ago, M_B said:

 

Doesn't matter what they say. The report clearly states a failure by the US to keep an inventory of the items. You took that information and used it to imply the Ukrainians stole the weapons to sell on the black market.

 

So the real question is, why did you choose to do that? 

 

Been to espionage night at Army cadets again? No the real question is why can such a monumental fuck up happen with processing weapons to Ukraine? 

 

Because in all probability its likely to have been happening. Stop believing everything the stars and stripes ram down your throat to cover their mistakes.

 

They've got form.

 

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2023-09-14/american-weapons-ukraine-theft-11374430.html

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/politics/pentagon-watchdog-report-ukraine-weaponry/index.html

 

Anyway I'm off out, you crack on.

 

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38 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

You're mad. You really have been to espionage night 


What are you on about? That’s exactly what you were not so subtly suggesting, then you backed the claim and now you’ve gradually moved to the Americans having form and now you’re just saying people he’s mad. It’s your repeated way of debating - say something, repeat it or stick to it, then gradually muddy it by arguing something slightly off topic and the point is lost.

 

You’re either purposely doing it, or you don’t understand what you’re doing, either way you’re a crank and I’d guess on the former of the 2 options is more likely as well.

 

Same thing as the Starmer thread. You’ve been called a bot so many times, there’s no way you haven’t found out what people mean by that, but you pretend to not even know what a bot is.

 

Not that it’ll mean anything, but I was fully giving you the benefit of the doubt, but due to the views you’re peddling and the way you’re doing it, I really wish you’d stop. 
 

It’ll be people like you that are largely to blame if the tories get another term in charge, in whatever capacity, but I think that is actually what you want to achieve.

 

Not sure what the fuck you’re hoping to achieve with this thread though

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