Russia v Ukraine

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

 

Russian propaganda takes one man's opinion and saturates the internet with it, just like you do. Thats why you post the same stuff over and over and over again.

 

Stop being silly. You're one of the ones pushing out propaganda. Everything you've relayed has been debunked. This the latest.

 

 

Are these part of this "Russian propaganda'?? 

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-kyiv-autocrat-war-russia/

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelensky-increasingly-authoritarian-unpopular-mxv30mf6r

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-war-russia-zelensky-klitschko-b2458171.html

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/03/zelensky-is-losing-popularity-because-of-his-mistakes-says/

 

Is that ex head of the British army (link above) a Russian shill because he's talking about it on Sky news? 

 

I think your description of Klitschko as "one man's opinion" is doing a hell of a lot of heavy lifting.

 

Laughable.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Gnasher

[M_B]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Stop being silly. You're one of the ones pushing out propaganda. Everything you've relayed has been debunked. This the latest.

Are these part of this "Russian propaganda'??

 

 

Seems like you didnt read my post. You continually posting the same stuff over and over is propaganda yes. You've posted the same thing 4 times now.

 

And what have I relayed that has been debunked exactly?

[Gnasher]

23 minutes ago, M_B said:

 

Seems like you didnt read my post. You continually posting the same stuff over and over is propaganda yes. You've posted the same thing 4 times now.

 

And what have I relayed that has been debunked exactly?

 

 

 

I read it,  its nonsense. You don't like it because it debunked your rubbish about all being a bowl of cherries. You're still trying to fly that flag now.

 

I've continually pointed out the problems within Ukraine; you've just pumped out parry line. 

 

As for the war in general wasn't it you getting excited recently when doubts were cast? saying its going well and relishing Ukraine getting the Migs? 

[M_B]

Just now, Gnasher said:

I read its nonsense. 

 

I've continually pointed out the problems within Ukraine; you've just pumped out parry line. 

 

As for the war in general wasn't it you getting excited recently when doubts were cast? saying its going well and relishing Ukraine getting the Migs? 

 

I am relishing the Ukrainians getting the F-16's yes, why wouldn't I? I hope that they will at least make russian helicopter pilots sweat a little. What's left of them anyway.

 

You point out the problems in Ukraine, because you don't want to support Ukraine. It's as simple as that. This latest attempt is to swamp the thread with multiple links to the same interview - a 'man who wants to be president in criticizes president shocka, but then says the president can stay as president to the end of the war.' One of the articles also points out Zelensky still has mass popular support, but for some reason you ignore that bit. Can't think why.

 

You hide behind the pretence that you care about Ukrainian lives, but we can all see through that thin veneer.

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, M_B said:

 

I am relishing the Ukrainians getting the F-16's yes, why wouldn't I? I hope that they will at least make russian helicopter pilots sweat a little. What's left of them anyway.

 

You point out the problems in Ukraine, because you don't want to support Ukraine. It's as simple as that. This latest attempt is to swamp the thread with multiple links to the same interview - a 'man who wants to be president in criticizes president shocka, but then says the president can stay as president to the end of the war.' One of the articles also points out Zelensky still has mass popular support, but for some reason you ignore that bit. Can't think why.

 

You hide behind the pretence that you care about Ukrainian lives, but we can all see through that thin veneer.

 

You said the war was going well. Its not. 

 

You disregarded Ukrainian authoritarianism. You were proved to be wrong.

 

Now you're back to the Russian shill nonsense. 

 

I haven't posted the same link numerous times at all but as you're upset I will post this a second time. Is the ex head of the British army a Russian shill? Because he's on the same lines as me and others.

 

Stop being pig headed. 

 

https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1731964408404889696?s=20

 

 

 

 

[SasaS]

It's time for a separate thread Should Zelensky Remain As a Ukrainian Leader?

 

What a healthy interest in Ukraine's internal politics! Remmie's wife should be proud of the forum. 

[Strontium]

Should really be called "Zelensky - A Rant"

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Strontium said:

Should really be called "Zelensky - A Rant"

 

Why who's criticised Zelensky? Bar for the mayor of Keiv of course.

 

 

[SasaS]

Must say, some of the reporting on Ukraine in the West is a bit mad right now, as if each isolationist sceptic, anti-Ukrainian Manchurian candidate and Russian media asset has suddenly been activated by a coded message.

 

I get it the Americans are leaking and briefing heavily over who is responsible for the failed offensive (so you wouldn't possibly get the idea it was somebody other than UAF) and party political games are in full swing in the US and German budget has been collapsed by their constitutional court and media loves a change of narrative but nothing spectacular or completely unexpected is going on on the ground.

 

It is now Russia's turn to start a big winter offensive and try to gain some tactical advantage, and they are facing similar problems as Ukrainians with their own. By the level of hysteria in some media, you'd think Ukraine is about to announce capitulation tomorrow or at the weekend at the latest.

[Section_31]

It's not big news that the war will only end through negotiation, I doubt anyone thought Ukraine would march on Moscow and surround Putin in his bunker like.

 

The idea is to keep them from taking over the country, which they've done a sterling job of.

 

Listen to how the narrative had changed.

 

"We've taken some minor turf in the east and you can't kick us out because we've got an unlimited supply of cannon fodder."

 

Great, hats off.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

Must say, some of the reporting on Ukraine in the West is a bit mad right now, as if each isolationist sceptic, anti-Ukrainian Manchurian candidate and Russian media asset has suddenly been activated by a coded message.

 

I get it the Americans are leaking and briefing heavily over who is responsible for the failed offensive (so you wouldn't possibly get the idea it was somebody other than UAF) and party political games are in full swing in the US and German budget has been collapsed by their constitutional court and media loves a change of narrative but nothing spectacular or completely unexpected is going on on the ground.

 

It is now Russia's turn to start a big winter offensive and try to gain some tactical advantage, and they are facing similar problems as Ukrainians with their own. By the level of hysteria in some media, you'd think Ukraine is about to announce capitulation tomorrow or at the weekend at the latest.

 

Honest question 'why is it the Russians turn to start a big winter offensive?

[Gnasher]

47 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

It's not big news that the war will only end through negotiation, I doubt anyone thought Ukraine would march on Moscow and surround Putin in his bunker like.

 

The idea is to keep them from taking over the country, which they've done a sterling job of.

 

Listen to how the narrative had changed.

 

"We've taken some minor turf in the east and you can't kick us out because we've got an unlimited supply of cannon fodder."

 

Great, hats off.

 

The narrative has undoubtedly changed. Although some refuse to see it.

[SasaS]

14 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Honest question 'why is it the Russians turn to start a big winter offensive?

 

Because Ukrainian petered out a couple of months ago and Russia in the meantime stockpiled ammunition and generated forces for their own offensive, same as last winter. They want to be on the attack whenever possible. And they have already been on the offensive for the past month or so.

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Because Ukrainian petered out a couple of months ago and Russia in the meantime stockpiled ammunition and generated forces for their own offensive, same as last winter. They want to be on the attack whenever possible. And they have already been on the offensive for the past month or so.

 

Ah OK. Sounds right.

[Gnasher]

2.5 trillion dollar deficit, the USA.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67585902.amp

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

 

 

 

[Section_31]

Gnasher, genuine question, are you sat in a former tractor factory in Belarus?

[Strontium]

I don't think Gnash is a bot, but he's either retired or he has a very understanding boss.

[Gnasher]

30 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Gnasher, genuine question, are you sat in a former tractor factory in Belarus?

 

Yawn. Yet again.  The posts above are the BBC and Financial Times. 

[Gnasher]

Jeremy Bowen the Russian shill who posted this from a tractor factory in Belarus.

 

it's the same article from further up and Bowen's right, it's excellent. 

 

 

[SasaS]

That article was actually a bit baffling to me, unless it was a deliberate part of the "new narrative".  I've also seen opinions that this left bank activities is Ukraine somehow rushing to disaster, as if they are throwing thousands across the river in some attempt nobody understands.

 

According to various reports, they are deliberately keeping only up to an infantry battalion on the other side, so Russians cannot inflict huge casualties through carpet bombing, and Russians have trouble putting together counterattacks because the AFU forces across the river are well protected from ground attacks by a massive shield consisting of drones and artillery. Also, it is a bit confusing that they would be sending inexperienced troops without a clear understanding of their mission across, instead of some trained assault forces.  

[TheHowieLama]

War protester (allegedly)

 

A Russian teenager on Thursday shot dead a classmate and injured five others before killing herself in a school in Bryansk near the Ukrainian border, investigators said, AFP reported.

"A 14-year-old girl brought a pump-action shotgun to school, which she used to shoot her classmates. As a result, two died, one of them the shooter, and there are five wounded," the Investigative Committee said in a statement.

"The motives behind the crime and all the circumstances are being established," the Instigative Committee, which probes major crimes, said.

[TheSire]

18 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Honest question 'why is it the Russians turn to start a big winter offensive?

Because ukraine have mostly switched to a defensive posture + Russia only know to push and take the initiative.

[Section_31]

Soldier, "life on front lines not nice" shocker.

 

Those carry on films set in the battle of the somme had me completely hoodwinked.

 

"The end of your trench is flooded you're gonna get trench foot, so why don't you come up my end!"

 

Oooooooohmaaaaaaatron!

[TheHowieLama]

22 hours ago, SasaS said:

It's time for a separate thread Should Zelensky Remain As a Ukrainian Leader?

 

Whatabout!!!

 

Russia's upper house of parliament on Thursday set March 17, 2024, as the date for the next presidential elections, AFP reported.

Putin, who has been in power in Russia either as president or prime minister since 2000, has not officially announced if he will stand in the vote.