Russia v Ukraine

[Gnasher]

6 hours ago, Gnasher said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/27/ukraine-change-conscription-policies-russia-war

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/at-what-cost-ukraine-strains-bolster-its-army-war-fatigue-weighs-2023-11-28/

 

 

[Gnasher]

Ames and his sources have been bang on the button during this war so I wouldn't be shocked if this is true.

 

Some in Ukraine turning on Boris Johnson. The alleged 200,000 Ukrainian casualties (not including serious injuries) paint a grim picture.

 

https://x.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1729669828242210927?s=20

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[M_B]

Lambski to the slaughter. 

 

And yeah, they need the extra cannon fodder cause of NATO, honest. Wink, wink. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67592803

[SasaS]

Another 1,209 names added by Mediazona in the past two weeks (roughly the same as previous 14 days) to the total of 38,261 confirmed Russians KIA in Ukraine. They say the increase in the past month is due to fighting, mainly in Avdivka and that they are now discovering more data than they can process.

Since they have previously estimated they catch about 40 to 60 percent of actual casualties, I would say the most conservative estimate would now stant at about 64,000 KIA, without the separatists forces.

Realistic estimate is probably around 80k with 15 to 20k among the separatists. Most analysts estimate Ukrainian losses as lower than Russian, but I don't think they are much lower. If you add civilians, total death toll of Russian invasion is probably close to a quarter of a million people.

 

https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng

[ZonkoVille77]

These sneaky fucking cunts need to be stopped.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67607857

 

[cochyn]

Trench warfare on the Eastern front: fucking brave bastards.

 

 

[Gnasher]

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

On 08/11/2023 at 16:20, M_B said:

 

From the article

 

 

 

I believe someone on here has been saying similar. 

 

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/12/03/715710/Ukraine-sliding--authoritarianism-Kiev-mayor

 

 

[Section_31]

Iranian press TV you say.

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Iranian press TV you say.

You saying he didn't say it? 

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Iranian press TV you say.

 

So it's British you need? Here you go.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelensky-increasingly-authoritarian-unpopular-mxv30mf6r

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1841822/volodymyr-zelensky-future-counteroffensive

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/03/zelensky-is-losing-popularity-because-of-his-mistakes-says/

 

And a Ukrainian one thrown in as a bonus. 

 

https://kyivindependent.com/klitschko-says-ukraine-is-turning-authoritarian-as-conflict-with-president-persists/

[Ne Moe Imya]

If we in the West can't find a way to give the Ukrainians what they need to defeat the Russian invasion, then maybe we deserve the civilizational collapse that's coming.

 

It is utterly baffling how the US is actually paying companies huge fees to disassemble tanks and IFVs for scrap at the same time they tell Ukraine that they don't have any to spare. This whole thing could have been over and done with already and everyone in Europe would be so much safer if we had just given them what they needed. Even now, we could still do it and it could be over in 6 months or less.

 

Heaven forbid Trump wins the US election next year. He will try to force the Ukrainians into some sort of settlement where they abandon entire districts to be ethnically cleansed and mass raped by the Russians, the Ukrainians will inevitably refuse, and then we'll see him slowly reveal himself to actually be on the Russian side all along, maybe even to the point of providing the Russians with aid. All in the name of "peace," of course.

[SasaS]

It's not like this would be anything new. 

 

People always believe if you feed the monster a sacrificial virgin, he will not come again for more.

[Gnasher]

https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-boss-jens-stoltenberg-warns-of-bad-news-from-ukraine/?s=09

 

And from the front line.

 

Then .

 

 

Now.. 

 

[Anubis]

On 04/12/2023 at 18:47, Ne Moe Imya said:

Even now, we could still do it and it could be over in 6 months or less.

It wouldn’t. It never is over as fast as people think it will be.

[Curly]

On 03/12/2023 at 23:24, cochyn said:

Trench warfare on the Eastern front: fucking brave bastards.

 

 

Fucking hell, that’s scary

[TheSire]

On 04/12/2023 at 16:54, Section_31 said:

Iranian press TV you say.

Literally checked this myself. Neeeeeeext!

[Anubis]

1 hour ago, TheSire said:

Literally checked this myself. Neeeeeeext!

 

He then posted sources from UK and Ukraine itself. 

[M_B]

2 hours ago, Curly said:

Fucking hell, that’s scary

 

Very. The CO was very calm, but they are lucky to be alive and arguably wouldn't be without the American Bradleys.

[M_B]

29 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

He then posted sources from UK and Ukraine itself. 

 

Which all share the same source - an interview with the Mayor of Kiev who is eyeing the presidency. And despite his criticism, he also says

 

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"The president has an important function today and we must support him until the end of the war. But at the end of this war, every politician will pay for his successes or failures.

 

....so he's fine for Zelensky to continue as President.

 

One article also states

 

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According to polling by Statista, Zelensky's popularity in Ukraine remains significantly higher than it was last year, when Russia invaded, with more than 50pc of Ukrainians still strongly approving of their president's actions.

 

The Russians are trying to paint the picture that this is now Zelensky's war without the support of the population, but the truth is every poll shows considerable support for Zelensky and the continuation of defending the country.

 

That won't stop the russian propaganda though, especially as they are currently losing over 1k soldiers per day. They need to stop US support, and the only way to do that is through their propaganda machine. The more Americans that believe the conflict is futile, the more chance of stopping US support.

 

[Gnasher]

He gave an interview which has been reported around the world. Here's the New York Post. Its hardly Russian propaganda. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/12/05/news/ukraines-zelensky-is-turning-into-an-autocrat-claims-kyiv-mayor/

 

 

He's voiced the concerns of many others. Concerns about freedom of the Ukrainian press (ironically as some are obsessed with sources) the culling of trade unions, widespread corruption etc,  which some dismissed has now come from one of Ukraines most prominent politicians,. yet still they choose to bury their head in the sand.

 

 

Also I'm not sure Klitschko's now taking about the end of the war is the rubber stamp for Zelensky some may think, or for the way its going for Ukraine.

 

 

 

 

As for the situation on the front line. You don't need to work at Bletchley Park to work out the change in mood here. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SasaS]

Ah, the magic word: negotiations. If only Gazans weren't so belligerent too everything would have been solved there as well a long time ago. If only they would negotiate.

 

 

[ZonkoVille77]

Negotiations or a settlement with the Russians will only give them time to recuperate and the confidence to go again. It's ultimately pointless in terms of fully ending the conflict. Sure it might save lives in the short term but it's just kicking the can down the road. 

[M_B]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

He gave an interview which has been reported around the world. Here's the New York Post. Its hardly Russian propaganda. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/12/05/news/ukraines-zelensky-is-turning-into-an-autocrat-claims-kyiv-mayor/

 

 

He's voiced the concerns of many others. Concerns about freedom of the Ukrainian press (ironically as some are obsessed with sources) the culling of trade unions, widespread corruption etc,  which some dismissed has now come from one of Ukraines most prominent politicians,. yet still they choose to bury their head in the sand.

 

Russian propaganda takes one man's opinion and saturates the internet with it, just like you do. Thats why you post the same stuff over and over and over again.

[M_B]

47 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

Negotiations or a settlement with the Russians will only give them time to recuperate and the confidence to go again. It's ultimately pointless in terms of fully ending the conflict. Sure it might save lives in the short term but it's just kicking the can down the road. 

 

Yeah. The war can only end with an agreement that allows Ukraine to become part of NATO or a new alliance of the eastern european states, otherwise the Russians will come back for more in 5 years time.