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At least they aren't women...

 

A group of former Ukrainian servicemen, including prisoners of war, have “volunteered” to fight on the front lines for Russia, Moscow’s state-run news agency RIA Novosti has claimed, in a potential violation of international law.

 

RIA reported in February the battalion had been formed “from prisoners of war of the Ukrainian troops” in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) in Ukraine’s occupied eastern Donetsk region.

The Washington-based think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW), citing Russian state media, said in late October that Russia had “recruited” 70 Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) from various penal colonies.

Coercing POWs to serve in the Russian forces would be a violation of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which have been adopted by all nations, according to the International Red Cross.

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20 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

At least they aren't women...

 

A group of former Ukrainian servicemen, including prisoners of war, have “volunteered” to fight on the front lines for Russia, Moscow’s state-run news agency RIA Novosti has claimed, in a potential violation of international law.

 

RIA reported in February the battalion had been formed “from prisoners of war of the Ukrainian troops” in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) in Ukraine’s occupied eastern Donetsk region.

The Washington-based think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW), citing Russian state media, said in late October that Russia had “recruited” 70 Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) from various penal colonies.

Coercing POWs to serve in the Russian forces would be a violation of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which have been adopted by all nations, according to the International Red Cross.

Those bastard Ukrainians though.

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22 hours ago, M_B said:

Bottom Line is that Russia won't have an army if this continues for a few more years. Or much of an economy for that matter.

 

Interest on US debt is over 1 trillion dollars a year now, it's doubled in the last 19 months and the total debt is now over 33 trillion. I don't think many economies will be doing well with a few more years of this.

 

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1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Interest on US debt is over 1 trillion dollars a year now, it's doubled in the last 19 months and the total debt is now over 33 trillion. I don't think many economies will be doing well with a few more years of this.

 

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Perhaps Russia are playing the long game here, thinking they'll bankrupt the West? Silly really, the West will always just print more money. The sooner Putin pops his clogs the better. 

 

As an aside the Russian MFA channel on Telegram is worthy of a follow. A masterclass in propaganda. 

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1 hour ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

Perhaps Russia are playing the long game here, thinking they'll bankrupt the West? Silly really, the West will always just print more money. The sooner Putin pops his clogs the better. 

 

As an aside the Russian MFA channel on Telegram is worthy of a follow. A masterclass in propaganda. 

 

10 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

There may be other factors in the US debt and it's interest rising in the last couple of years. Maybe.

 

Yeah I don't know what the answer is or all of the causes, was just mentioning it in response to the idea of Russia's economy going to shit. They both don't look great really.

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3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Interest on US debt is over 1 trillion dollars a year now, it's doubled in the last 19 months and the total debt is now over 33 trillion. I don't think many economies will be doing well with a few more years of this.

 

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Their are those doing very well out of the war though, those with shares in oil and weapons for instance. Maybe some post on here, who knows?

 

For the vast majority it's a very different story. Approximately 90 plus billion and counting for record fuel and cost of living increases. 

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/02/russia-ukraine-war-energy-costs/

 

 

Its caused a huge spike in deaths though cold in the UK last winter. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/06/excess-winter-deaths-caused-by-cold-homes-in-great-britain-up-by-about-a-third

 

This war plus sanctions are  hurting us as much as Russia. Its a race to the bottom with little military end in sight.

 

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3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Their are those doing very well out of the war though, those with shares in oil and weapons for instance. Maybe some post on here, who knows?

 

For the vast majority it's a very different story. Approximately 90 plus billion and counting for record fuel and cost of living increases. 

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/02/russia-ukraine-war-energy-costs/

 

 

Its caused a huge spike in deaths though cold in the UK last winter. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/06/excess-winter-deaths-caused-by-cold-homes-in-great-britain-up-by-about-a-third

 

This war plus sanctions are  hurting us as much as Russia. Its a race to the bottom with little military end in sight.

 

 

I think most people agree now that neither side seems to be winning this and public support has been dropping for a good while, like we can see with Gaza though the Biden admin doesn't seem too bothered about what people think. The whole "can't have a ceasefire because it'll give them time to regoup" reminded me of this war too and I think the sanctions at the level they did them turned out to be a mistake.

 

The worst thing is all of the death and injuries Ukrainians and Russians have to deal with but if they want to keep fighting that's up to them I suppose. Not sure how Ukraine are going to keep getting the weapons they need though and their population is surely going to suffer more over time if this drags on.

 

I still don't like that Zaporizhzhia power plant is right on the front line too and would be fine if Russia eventually dismantled the entire fucking thing and removed it from the equation if they aren't going to be pushed back. That's a lot easier said than done though obviously and then you have all of the waste that needs transporting out of there and some way of making up for all of the energy that's lost.

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13 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I think most people agree now that neither side seems to be winning this and public support has been dropping for a good while, like we can see with Gaza though the Biden admin doesn't seem too bothered about what people think. The whole "can't have a ceasefire because it'll give them time to regoup" reminded me of this war too and I think the sanctions at the level they did them turned out to be a mistake.

 

The worst thing is all of the death and injuries Ukrainians and Russians have to deal with but if they want to keep fighting that's up to them I suppose. Not sure how Ukraine are going to keep getting the weapons they need though and their population is surely going to suffer more over time if this drags on.

 

I still don't like that Zaporizhzhia power plant is right on the front line too and would be fine if Russia eventually dismantled the entire fucking thing and removed it from the equation if they aren't going to be pushed back. That's a lot easier said than done though obviously and then you have all of the waste that needs transporting out of there and some way of making up for all of the energy that's lost.

 

Many are refusing to see the reality, even after hearing a western leader (Melloni) say off guard what most others had realised anyway  The counter offensive was a costly failure (in lives, weapons, money) and Russian loses are apparently on a downwards arc. 

 

 

 

This war will have to end in a diplomatic solution because its now very unlikely to end on the battlefield. 

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11 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I think most people agree now that neither side seems to be winning this and public support has been dropping for a good while, like we can see with Gaza though the Biden admin doesn't seem too bothered about what people think. The whole "can't have a ceasefire because it'll give them time to regoup" reminded me of this war too and I think the sanctions at the level they did them turned out to be a mistake.

 

The worst thing is all of the death and injuries Ukrainians and Russians have to deal with but if they want to keep fighting that's up to them I suppose. Not sure how Ukraine are going to keep getting the weapons they need though and their population is surely going to suffer more over time if this drags on.

 

I still don't like that Zaporizhzhia power plant is right on the front line too and would be fine if Russia eventually dismantled the entire fucking thing and removed it from the equation if they aren't going to be pushed back. That's a lot easier said than done though obviously and then you have all of the waste that needs transporting out of there and some way of making up for all of the energy that's lost.

 

Yes, yes, that's it. Ukrainians and Russians just would not listen to reason and insist on keeping on fighting, And even they don't remember anymore why are they fighting. Must be all that vodka. 

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5 hours ago, SasaS said:

Yes, yes, that's it. Ukrainians and Russians just would not listen to reason and insist on keeping on fighting, And even they don't remember anymore why are they fighting. Must be all that vodka. 

 

I didn't say any of the things you said there.

 

There's no way of winning in this thread if you want the fighting to end and would prefer a ceasefire. Mention a ceasefire and end up arguing, avoid mentioning it and read posts like that.

 

It's only Russia and Ukraine that can agree to end the fighting at the end of the day. So as you probably know I'd rather a ceasefire and some type of agreement like I've always said, but yeah if they want to keep on fighting it is up to them too.

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2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I didn't say any of the things you said there.

 

There's no way of winning in this thread if you want the fighting to end and would prefer a ceasefire. Mention a ceasefire and end up arguing, avoid mentioning it and read posts like that.

 

It's only Russia and Ukraine that can agree to end the fighting at the end of the day. So as you probably know I'd rather a ceasefire and some type of agreement like I've always said, but yeah if they want to keep on fighting it is up to them too.

 

But that is the problem with your argumentation, that is fundamentally not true since they are not fighting over Falklands or Virgin Islands. It's only Russia that can agree to end the fighting.

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6 minutes ago, SasaS said:

But that is the problem with your argumentation, that is fundamentally not true since they are not fighting over Falklands or Virgin Islands. It's only Russia that can agree to end the fighting.

 

Both sides are fighting, both sides can try to end it by proposing a ceasefire and some type of deal or negotiations.

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On 10/11/2023 at 20:54, Gnasher said:

This war will have to end in a diplomatic solution because its now very unlikely to end on the battlefield. 

 

One side will run out of men or material and will be forced to the negotiating table.

 

Those figures are deaths confirmed by socal media only, and "exclude casualties sustained by units of the self-proclaimed DPR and LPR republics", which are a lot.

 

The website also states:

 

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The figures we provide are derived from publicly accessible sources, such as social media posts by relatives, local media reports, and statements by local authorities. Therefore, they do not capture the complete death toll.

The actual number is likely much higher. A joint data investigation by Mediazona and Meduza estimated that by the end of May, the conflict in Ukraine had resulted in the deaths of 47,000 Russians below the age of 50.

 

That's an estimate of almost 50K KIA. Given that far more soldiers are wounded than actually killed, then the Russians have indeed lost an enormous amount of men, and continue to do so.

 

To put it in perspective, they have most likely lost a force greater than twice the size of the British Army, and are struggling to replace tanks and aircraft.

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On 10/11/2023 at 21:54, Gnasher said:

 

Many are refusing to see the reality, even after hearing a western leader (Melloni) say off guard what most others had realised anyway  The counter offensive was a costly failure (in lives, weapons, money) and Russian loses are apparently on a downwards arc. 

 

 

 

This war will have to end in a diplomatic solution because its now very unlikely to end on the battlefield. 

 

Thank you for discovering this valuable survey, Which I have been linking to here regularly every two weeks for about a year and a half.  

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25 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Thank you for discovering this valuable survey, Which I have been linking to here regularly every two weeks for about a year and a half.  

 

This? The survey was published on November 1st this year. 

 

 

https://twitter.com/baronitaigas/status/1720512812517032048/photo/1

 

And do yourself a favour, don't come the smarmy pants with me. 

 

 

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