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Russia v Ukraine


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8 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

I'm anti Ukrainian loss of life. That's my stance. They've fought heroically but now it's looking like they're losing a lot of men with little end in sight. 

 

The Italian PMs comments in that prank call (if true, though she hasn't denied them) are imo telling. This can't go on. That's the direct thoughts of a major European leader. 

 

The Italian PM is a dickhead, that's never been disputed by anyone, not even her own husband.

 

You also act like Ukraine's loss of life is through choice, it's because - erm, they got invaded.

 

Russia lost this war early on, and I'll tell yee for why. 

 

They'd spent the last 20 years trying to cultivate the mirrage that they can go toe to toe with the west, that they're a formidable power that Ukraine and its surrounding nations need to fear. 

 

That's been shown to be false. They're a second world army at best, their only tactic is to drop more and more lads in the mincer and flatten hosing estates with katyusha rockets. 

 

Nato is expanding, it's emboldened, and nobody is afraid of Russia any more.

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9 minutes ago, SasaS said:

He's been posting links about Ukraine not having enough soldiers and losing the will to fight since May or June last year, since Popasna.

 

I'm posting a major European leader who has come out fully in support of Ukraine (many in Africa, China, S, America have not) saying out loud what a lot of people have been thinking for a long time.

 

I understand those benefiting for the continuation of war may want it to continue but Melloni's right people are tired of this war and a political solution needs to be found. 

 

Ukraine lost many lives in that counter offensive. Note how she mentions others more than her.

 

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5 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

The Italian PM is a dickhead, that's never been disputed by anyone, not even her own husband.

 

You also act like Ukraine's loss of life is through choice, it's because - erm, they got invaded.

 

Russia lost this war early on, and I'll tell yee for why. 

 

They'd spent the last 20 years trying to cultivate the mirrage that they can go toe to toe with the west, that they're a formidable power that Ukraine and its surrounding nations need to fear. 

 

That's been shown to be false. They're a second world army at best, their only tactic is to drop more and more lads in the mincer and flatten hosing estates with katyusha rockets. 

 

Nato is expanding, it's emboldened, and nobody is afraid of Russia any more.

 

The Italian PM may be a dickhead but she's still the Italian PM. Just as Rishi Sunak is our PM and Macron is head over France. 

 

What she said is the most senior voice of this war yet without the spin. Or do you want to hang your hat on Major Tom from Facebook? Are the leaders of African countries also dickheads? South America? China?  So Boris Johnson is not a "dickhead"

 

Dickhead or not she's 100% correct and she hinted in that conversation other major Western leaders feel the same. 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Everybody is tired of this war, it has been going on for nearly two years. This war is not fought because Ukrainians or the West want to fight it, instead of "finding a political solution".

 

Those earning massive amounts of money from arms and oil are imo not tired of this war at all. 

 

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25 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Fear not young Nash - eventually you will be right.

 

Eh you listening to a poster further up thread? . Not sure what he was talking about but i understand now why he said 'we".. if he's talking about Brexit  (I'm guessing as he was vague) I thought Britain would vote out and it'd lead to the destruction of the Conservative Party. I was hardly wrong.

 

On Ukraine I've been saying similar to what Melloni is saying now and many others have been saying for months.  So sorry but there you go.

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2 hours ago, SasaS said:

He's been posting links about Ukraine not having enough soldiers and losing the will to fight since May or June last year, since Popasna.

 

Why did you address the forum with "he" instead of responding to me directly?,  Why not say "you" and acknowledge the post directly, to the person? Or is it some kind of calling? You did something similar earlier, I find it a bit odd tbh. 

 

 

Anyway on the subject of Ukraine not having enough soldiers.

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

 

Why did you address the forum with "he" instead of responding to me directly?,  Why not say "you" and acknowledge the post directly, to the person? Or is it some kind of calling? You did something similar earlier, I find it a bit odd tbh. 

 

 

Anyway on the subject of Ukraine not having enough soldiers.

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was commenting / expanding on what another poster said. 

 

None of the analysts I read regularly thinks Ukraine has so far had big problems with manpower, they all still think it's the lack of equipment that is the problem.  And of course, training.

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17 hours ago, SasaS said:

 

I was commenting / expanding on what another poster said. 

 

None of the analysts I read regularly thinks Ukraine has so far had big problems with manpower, they all still think it's the lack of equipment that is the problem.  And of course, training.

 

NY Times 8th November.

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/08/our-farewell-to-russia-ukraine-poised-to-take-step-closer-to-eu-membership

 

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‘Our farewell to Russia’: Ukraine takes one step closer to EU membership

 

When the then Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych, abandoned a deal with the EU in favour of stronger ties with Russia in November 2013, hundreds of protesters came to Kyiv’s Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square). Soon, those hundreds became thousands, eventually hundreds of thousands, forming a protest camp where blue and gold EU flags flew defiantly in the winter air.

 

The Euromaidan movement that ultimately forced Yanukovych to flee the country powerfully showed the desire of young Ukrainians to join their western neighbours, but until the full-scale Russian invasion of February 2022 Ukrainian membership of the EU seemed a distant dream.

 

On Wednesday, however, it came a little closer when the EU recommended that formal negotiations on accession should begin. The decision is not definitive; those recommendations will now go to existing member states for a final signoff in December. And even if they are approved, accession talks would be expected to drag on for years.

 

But for people such as Kristina Berdynskykh, a Ukrainian freelance journalist who participated in the Euromaidan protests and is now one of hundreds of Ukrainian reporters covering the war in their homeland, it is still something of a milestone.

 

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2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

They can't even call elections.  Trade Unions are pretty much banned, the media has been curtailed. No wonder Ursula likes them. Glad we're out. 

 

From the article

 

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Vladimir Putin’s invasion appears to have significantly strengthened Ukrainians’ desire to join the EU. According to a survey by Civic Synergy, a project aiming to strengthen public participation in the implementation of European integration reforms in Ukraine, 52% were in favour in 2018. By December of 2022, in the midst of the conflict, that had risen to 79%.

 

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31 minutes ago, M_B said:

 

There were no elections in the UK during both World Wars.

 

Not sure you can compare the war in the Donbass with the two world wars and it was more a response to this Ukraine joining the EU nonsense anyway. Wasn't Zelensky shouting on an American program about being given money through some form of  "credit" till after the war recently?  He sounded a bit unhinged.

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18 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Not sure you can compare the war in the Donbass with the two world wars

 

Why not? The country faces an existential threat greater than the UK faced. And how can you hold elections in regions disenfranchised by enemy invasion?

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29 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Did you read it?

 

Do you think it is a better strategy to use convicted felons to fill the ranks? 

 

The conversation was with another poster about Ukraine struggling with soldiers, its further up the thread. The article confirms this to be true.

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