Russia v Ukraine

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

Why should Ukraine have to remain "neutral", whatever that's supposed to mean? These people are off their friggin' rockers.

[Bjornebye]

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Why should Ukraine have to remain "neutral", whatever that's supposed to mean? These people are off their friggin' rockers.

It's a really bizarre suggestion that one. He's basically saying the USA should promise that Ukraine should act in a certain way that is acceptable to Russia. Has anybody considered, ya know, giving a fuck about what Ukraine wants? The idea that this is somehow a US-led NATO vs Russia war is buying into weird Russian propaganda. They're blasting Ukraine and its people, pointing fingers at the US for NOT acting (after all, the criticism has been that they are the ones at fault for this due to NATO's 'aggression') on Ukraine's behalf is fucking weird. 

[dockers_strike]

8 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

He's very misguided thinking it would be that easy. Does he think Putin will let the current Ukraine government remain in situ or want a puppet installed? He obviously doesnt believe Ukraine should be allowed its own destiny.

 

That's a rhetorical question by the way.

[Boss]

A Ukrainian Mig pilot has racked up six confirmed dogfight kills on the first day. He's been nicknamed "The Ghost of Kiev".

[Numero Veinticinco]

Oh, and BTW, even if the US did make promises on Ukraine's behalf about neutrality, I highly doubt - unless you really buy into this bullshit about it being NATO's fault - Putin would withdraw. He has made his views on Ukraine's legitimacy as an independent state abundantly clear. He wants it, and he's going to take it. Yanis chatting about a US based promise on the part of Ukraine is actually more ridiculous than I first thought. What would that tell Putin? Want a country? No problem, attack it and then that'll force the hand of the West. Fuck off, man. That'd be the worst thing to do.

[Section_31]

Always astounded at times like this at (a) the sheer laziness of Facebook/Twitter blaggers and (b) the lack of even basic military awareness of the general population.

 

 

"A Ukrainian soldier leaves for the front lines, pray for Ukraine."

 

 

"Ukrainian troops man the border outside Kiev. I stand with Ukraine."

 

[Bjornebye]

"The Klitschko brothers stand guard outside Kiev, warriors in and out of the ring, pray for Kiev"

 

[Section_31]

Imperial troops have entered Kiev, imperial troops....

 

 

 

[Strontium]

6 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

It's a really bizarre suggestion that one. He's basically saying the USA should promise that Ukraine should act in a certain way that is acceptable to Russia. Has anybody considered, ya know, giving a fuck about what Ukraine wants? The idea that this is somehow a US-led NATO vs Russia war is buying into weird Russian propaganda. They're blasting Ukraine and its people, pointing fingers at the US for NOT acting (after all, the criticism has been that they are the ones at fault for NATO's 'aggression') on Ukraine's is fucking weird. 

 

The idea that Ukraine's desires should be somehow subordinate to those of someone else, someone more powerful, represents a kind of outdated imperialistic attitude that should have been left in the 20th century.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Strontium said:

 

The idea that Ukraine's desires should be somehow subordinate to those of someone else, someone more powerful, represents a kind of outdated imperialistic attitude that should have been left in the 20th century.

I'm actually amused at myself for how much that tweet annoyed me. A full 5 minutes of fume on my part. 

[Section_31]

"Mein Fuhrer, the Russians have breached our defences in four places."

 

"No matter. Chesterfield town hall will be lit up blue and yellow tonight and Ben and Jerries will be Tweeting their support momentarily."

[Trumo]

8 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

Ruskies Eunt Domum.

[Pureblood]

14 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Oh, and BTW, even if the US did make promises on Ukraine's behalf about neutrality, I highly doubt - unless you really buy into this bullshit about it being NATO's fault - Putin would withdraw. He has made his views on Ukraine's legitimacy as an independent state abundantly clear. He wants it, and he's going to take it. Yanis chatting about a US based promise on the part of Ukraine is actually more ridiculous than I first thought. What would that tell Putin? Want a country? No problem, attack it and then that'll force the hand of the West. Fuck off, man. That'd be the worst thing to do.

Nobody has suggested it's "NATO's fault". That's wilfully misrepresenting people, which weakens your own argument. 

 

What some have said is that NATO expansion was provocative, whilst at the same time acknowledging Russian aggression.  The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Creator Supreme]

6 minutes ago, Trumo said:

 

Ruskies Eunt Domum.

Now write that 100 times before sunrise, or I'll cut your balls off!

[Brownie]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Fauci said:

That video doing the rounds of the tank running over the car is a bit mad. A few people have suggested that it was deliberate. But, this video from an another angle might suggest that he got spooked by the mad shit going on to the side of him. 
 

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1497213543837544449

The fact that he reversed back over it is quite compelling evidence.

[Brownie]

48 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

What a retarded position to take. Give in to a dictator otherwise you are a war monger.
 

Fucking knobhead.

[dockers_strike]

20 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Nobody has suggested it's "NATO's fault". That's wilfully misrepresenting people, which weakens your own argument. 

 

What some have said is that NATO expansion was provocative, whilst at the same time acknowledging Russian aggression.  The two are not mutually exclusive.

Fucking hell, how many times? NATO doesnt have 'expansionist' ideals. Free, independent former USSR countries decided, over time,  they wanted to be part of the organisation.

 

Instead of spouting bullshit about expansionism, you and others should be asking why former USSR states wanted to be part of NATO and not the russian 'federation.'

[SasaS]

39 minutes ago, Boss said:

A Ukrainian Mig pilot has racked up six confirmed dogfight kills on the first day. He's been nicknamed "The Ghost of Kiev".

Some saying that is just an urban myth.

[Section_31]

My favourite jet the Mig 29, beautiful.

[Captain Willard]

Mrs Willard is on a WhatsApp group for ex soldiers, there are a few meatheads making plans to hire a minibus, drive over there and volunteer. A bit like the Spanish civil war all over again. 

[Pureblood]

2 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Fucking hell, how many times? NATO doesnt have 'expansionist' ideals. Free, independent former USSR countires decided, over time,  they wanted to be part of the organisation.

 

Instead of spouting bullshit about expansionism, you and others should be asking why former USSR states wanted to be part of NATO and not the russian 'federation.'

[dockers_strike]

1 minute ago, Captain Willard said:

Mrs Willard is on a WhatsApp group for ex soldiers, there are a few meatheads making plans to hire a minibus, drive over there and volunteer. A bit like the Spanish civil war all over again. 

May I suggest they think again? 70,000 Chetchen 'meatheads' have volunteered to go aid Putin's army.

 

May I also suggest if people look to any deity for inspiration, they pray that this does not spiral out of control.

 

Those like me who dont hold with any deity had better hope a semblence of common sense prevails and the fighting stops pretty soon.

 

Im getting pretty shit scared and I dont mind admitting it. Not that I was around in 1939 and I was only knee high to a grasshopper in 1962. But this has all the ingredients to get very, very bad.

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

Mrs Willard is on a WhatsApp group for ex soldiers, there are a few meatheads making plans to hire a minibus, drive over there and volunteer. A bit like the Spanish civil war all over again. 

Give em Lawrence Fox's address, tell em to beep outside.

[Anubis]

2 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

Mrs Willard is on a WhatsApp group for ex soldiers, there are a few meatheads making plans to hire a minibus, drive over there and volunteer. A bit like the Spanish civil war all over again.