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5 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Are the Wagner Group the Nazis?

 

I'm sure their leader's 'SS' tattoos  are just his wee tribute to Mike Read's Saturday Superstore, which he enjoyed watching on TV a child. 

 

 

 

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This is interesting. DNR forces don't want to fight in LNR. On the other hand, don't think Russians would have a problem sending them to be cannon fodder when the meat grinder moves again west to DNR.

 

 

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They are probably ferocious fighters but there is like 150 guys there tops. Is the interesting part that the pro Russian factions will not work together to achieve any common goal?

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1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

They are probably ferocious fighters but there is like 150 guys there tops. Is the interesting part that the pro Russian factions will not work together to achieve any common goal?

Yes and no. To me, the interesting part is that they acknowledge huge losses (see a couple of pages back) and rationalize their refusal to remain Russian expendable infantry by saying they would not fight in Lugansk Republic, only in Donetsk. So, the overall cost of victory over Ukraine is getting too high for them, i.e. loss of morale. They would defend their separatist region, but are no longer keen on fighting with/for the Russian army whenever Russians need infantry to storm fortified positions. And be poorly supplied with weapons and protective equipment. Guys in the first video fought in Mariupol.

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A few days ago I was going to post something along the lines of:

 

"Imagine being so desperate as to volunteer to be Putin's cannon fodder."

 

Looks like some aren't desperate enough.

 

As for Wagner, I wonder how effective they'll be in a fight to the death against trained and motivated soldiers. Murdering defenseless civilians in North Africa seems more their style:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/04/russian-mercenaries-wagner-group-linked-to-civilian-massacres-in-mali

 

 

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In impassioned pleas to the specially convened ‘call to action’ group on 18 May, attended by US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and the UN Secretary-General António Guterres, Beasley added: “The silos are full. Why are the silos full? Because the ports are not operating … It is absolutely essential that we allow these ports to open because this is not just about Ukraine, this is about the poorest of the poor around the world who are on the brink of starvation as we speak.”

 

War in Ukraine: WFP renews call to open Black Sea ports amid fears for global hunger

 

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Britain’s defence secretary Ben Wallace has called on Russia to let Ukraine export its grain to help countries where grain scarcity could trigger hunger.

Russia must “do the right thing”, Wallace told reporters in Madrid where he met with his counterpart Margarita Robles.

Reuters reports he rejected the idea to lift sanctions against Russia in return for grain release, but welcomed suggestions that other Black Sea nations might escort Ukraine grain shipments.

Ukraine war live

 

So we take part in people starving around the world because we can't let up on sanctions? Ben Wallace is a massive fucking clown and so is Truss. Pair of idiots.

Now that the Russian gov, still being cunts, have at least offered a solution but it requires us dropping some of the sanctions we're addicted to it'll be interesting to see where this goes. Because this is now on both sides, people around the world at risk of starving. Because both sides, not just one, are refusing to back down.

And if people starve then we can be clearer that this was never about Human lives being a priority in the first place.

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Let me guess, the answer to the chances of people starving around the world is more weapons and sanctions. The only thing this guy ever focuses on.

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I really hope these more weapons more war more sanctions people are in a serious fucking minority soon because this is becoming completely stupid now.

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3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

I really hope these more weapons more war more sanctions people are in a serious fucking minority soon because this is getting stupid now.

RP, how fucking stupid can you get?

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4 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Ask yourself the same question.

I am not the one accusing military assistance to the victim of brutal aggression and international sanctions against aggressor for the said aggressor blocking his victims ports. They are already selling the grain they stole, so that could ease global hunger somewhat, there seem to be more than enough takers and various cunts standing in line to profit from Ukrainain blood.

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2 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I am not the one accusing military assistance to the victim of brutal aggression and international sanctions against aggressor for the said aggressor blocking his victims ports. They are already selling the grain they stole, so that could ease global hunger somewhat, there seem to be more than enough takers and various cunts standing in line to profit from Ukrainain blood.

 

If that grain doesn't move anywhere near as well as it could have if both sides had worked something out, and lifting some sanctions could've helped then it's on both sides and there's no way around it.

 

I have no intention of going back to my old regular posting but this is just one of the latest things that's completely over the top. That people around the world could starve, in part because Russia are blocking the ports but also because we can't entertain lifting some sanctions, then it's clearly become insane.

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The results of this war are really starting to spill out of Ukraine now and effect us all. We're Human beings, at some point we should have the intelligence to solve this in better ways than it just dragging out with more war, weapons and sanctions.

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11 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

The results of this war are really starting to spill out of Ukraine now and effect us all. We're Human beings, at some point we should have the intelligence to solve this in better ways than it just dragging out with more war, weapons and sanctions.

I hear you. We should do less war and use our intelligence.

 

Because, if we tried to solve the naval blockade with modern anti-ship missiles, there is no way these ships would move back and allow the grain to pass through to the starving world. Which these war ships  are currently keeping hostage. We must use our intelligence and figure out what these war ships want and then give them that. Then it will all be over.

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12 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I hear you. We should do less war and use our intelligence.

 

Because, if we tried to solve the naval blockade with modern anti-ship missiles, there is no way these ships would move back and allow the grain to pass through to the starving world. Which these war ships  are currently keeping hostage. We must use our intelligence and figure out what these war ships want and then give them that. Then it will all be over.

 

Our psychopathic leaders have many ways of negotiating with Russia and finding a way that people around the world could avoid starving. Russia have suggested lifting some sanctions to open up the port so maybe there's some solutions to this that can be solved without either more sanctions or more weapons.

 

The port doesn't have to be a part of this conflict, it can be a safer area where that grain can get out. It's on both sides to resolve this and no amount of Putin apologist or guilt tripping changes that.

 

9 minutes ago, Strontium said:

We could just give the good guys more weapons and they can kill the bad guys more quickly. I like that solution.

 

I don't think it's wise for people around the world at risk of starving take the gamble that "more weapons kill the bad guys more quickly" when so far it doesn't seem to have changed much. This could be solved peacefully (the port) and quickly, that's likely the best option for poor and starving people in need of food.

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2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Our psychopathic leaders have many way of negotiating with Russia and finding a way that people around the world could avoid starving. Russia have suggested lifting some sanctions to open up the port so maybe there's some solutions to this that can be solved without either more sanctions or more weapons.

 

The port doesn't have to be a part of this conflict, it can be a safer area where that grain can get out. It's on both sides to resolve this and no amount of Putin apologist or guilt tripping changes that.

 

 

I don't think it's wise for people around the world at risk of starving take the gamble that "more weapons kill the bad guys more quickly" when so far it doesn't seem to have changed much. This could be solved peacefully (the port) and quickly, that's likely the best option for poor and starving people in need of food.

People around the world won't be starving because of "psychopathic leaders", they will be starving because Russia is starving them by blocking the port and maritime routes. Now you want to reward them for doing that and make them stronger.

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2 minutes ago, SasaS said:

People around the world won't be starving because of "psychopathic leaders", they will be starving because Russia is starving them by blocking the port and maritime routes. Now you want to reward them for doing that and make them stronger.

 

Wow.

 

Millions of different people all over the world have been starving throughout the course of our entire lives, in part, because our leaders are fucking psychopaths! This is just another episode that makes it worse. The Ukraine war hasn't changed our leaders into angels.

 

There's also the question of Ukrainian mines that need clearing : "Mined Ports, Red Tape and Russia Risk Stop Ukraine Grain. Lithuania says clearing mines around Ukraine ports is tricky"

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31 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Wow.

 

Millions of different people all over the world have been starving throughout the course of our entire lives, in part, because our leaders are fucking psychopaths! This is just another episode that makes it worse. The Ukraine war hasn't changed our leaders into angels.

 

There's also the question of Ukrainian mines that need clearing : "Mined Ports, Red Tape and Russia Risk Stop Ukraine Grain. Lithuania says clearing mines around Ukraine ports is tricky"

This one is all on Russia, they can solve this problem by simply moving away from the routes. They have no right to demand anything in return. It cannot be on the side defending itself against the aggressor blocking these ports, or countries helping them defend themselves.

 

Also, stop taking everything Russia says it will do or offers to do at face value.  

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1 hour ago, SasaS said:

This one is all on Russia, they can solve this problem by simply moving away from the routes. They have no right to demand anything in return. It cannot be on the side defending itself against the aggressor blocking these ports, or countries helping them defend themselves.

 

Also, stop taking everything Russia says it will do or offers to do at face value.  

 

I'm not taking everything they say they'll do or offer at face value. Russia aren't currently moving away from the routes but they're saying lifting some sanctions could allow the grain to get through. Do we gamble on taking out Russia's ships and then no more arriving then the grain getting out (big risky escalation), or do we talk about lifting some sanctions to see if that helps?

 

And yeah if other countries don't lift any sanctions (never even try this option that Russia say will lead to grain getting out), people later starve because this isn't resolved and we also have no proof that they were lying then yes it's definitely 100% on our side as well because we never even tried with the one option that Russia said would resolve this, we never even attempted to see if it'd work. It's insane to think otherwise and it makes no sense at all.

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