Russia v Ukraine

[Red Phoenix]

For those talking about how badly right wingers poll in Ukraine, this is from the Atlantic Council's "UkraineAlert" blog in 2018 :

To be clear, far-right parties like Svoboda perform poorly in Ukraine’s polls and elections, and Ukrainians evince no desire to be ruled by them. But this argument is a bit of “red herring.” It’s not extremists’ electoral prospects that should concern Ukraine’s friends, but rather the state’s unwillingness or inability to confront violent groups and end their impunity. Whether this is due to a continuing sense of indebtedness to some of these groups for fighting the Russians or fear they might turn on the state itself, it’s a real problem and we do no service to Ukraine by sweeping it under the rug.

Ukraine’s Got a Real Problem with Far-Right Violence (And No, RT Didn’t Write This Headline)

[Captain Turdseye]

6 hours ago, Gnasher said:

For those interested,

 

 

 

That’s got the lot. George Soros, Hunter Biden, Hillary’s emails, a coup in Ukraine and more! It’s like conspiracy theory Bingo. 
 

Oliver Stone trying to recreate the JFK movie. 
 

@Red Phoenix  Check it out, man!

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

That’s got the lot. George Soros, Hunter Biden, Hillary’s emails, a coup in Ukraine and more! It’s like conspiracy theory Bingo.

 

Haha thanks, will bookmark it and have a watch later.

[Gnasher]

Ahh here we fucking go if true;

 

 

I know its not easy to reason with a monster but I'm sensing a lack of political will to find some sort of solution to this nightmare which will see Russian troops pulling out of Ukraine. 

 

If the possible use of chemical weapons is not enough to worry about why not throw the prospect of a nuclear disaster into the mix?

 

 

[J-V]

Beats having a puppy in your bag, I guess.
 

[SasaS]

9 minutes ago, J-V said:

Beats having a puppy in your bag, I guess.
 

Women are so easy to flog fashion accessories to, you give away a couple of new ones, next day they all want to have it.  

[M_B]

44 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

For those talking about how badly right wingers poll in Ukraine, this is from the Atlantic Council's "UkraineAlert" blog in 2018 :

 

 

Ukraine’s Got a Real Problem with Far-Right Violence (And No, RT Didn’t Write This Headline)

Well that's an opinion. The fact remains they have no political power.

[Red Phoenix]

10 minutes ago, M_B said:

Well that's an opinion. The fact remains they have no political power.

 

Having an oligarch backing you might get a bit of power :

 

 

[ManéMan]

29 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Ahh here we fucking go if true;

 

 

I know its not easy to reason with a monster but I'm sensing a lack of political will to find some sort of solution to this nightmare which will see Russian troops pulling out of Ukraine. 

 

If the possible use of chemical weapons is not enough to worry about why not throw the prospect of a nuclear disaster into the mix?

 

 

Not sure if it's already been mentioned, or if allowed to here, but Ukraine have a number of biological weapons labs that are are US funded.

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

 

 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, ManéMan said:

Not sure if it's already been mentioned, or if allowed to here, but Ukraine have a number of biological weapons labs that are are US funded.

 

That's certainly what the Kremlin propaganda says. Sadly no surprise to see it repeated here.

[Anubis]

36 minutes ago, J-V said:

Beats having a puppy in your bag, I guess.
 

 

Pretty sure that’s the No15 from Huyton.

[Creator Supreme]

1 minute ago, Anubis said:

 

Pretty sure that’s the No15 from Huyton.

Wouldn't surprise me!

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, ManéMan said:

Not sure if it's already been mentioned, or if allowed to here, but Ukraine have a number of biological weapons labs that are are US funded.

Yeah I heard something about that, not sure if true.

[ManéMan]

9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yeah I heard something about that, not sure if true.

 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, ManéMan said:

 

Thanks.

[Red Phoenix]

There's a load of archived links here that were supposed to have been removed from this page recently on Ukraine biolabs :

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20170130193016/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-kharkiv-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20210511164310/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-luhansk-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170221125752/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-dnipropetrovsk-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20210506053014/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-vinnitsa-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170221125752/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-dnipropetrovsk-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170207122550/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-kherson-fact-sheet-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170223011502/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-ternopil-fact-sheet-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170208032526/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-zakarpatska-fact-sheet-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170208032526/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-zakarpatska-fact-sheet-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170202040923/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-lviv-dl-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170201004446/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-lviv-rdvl-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20161230143004/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-eidss.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20210506212717/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-pathogen-asset-control.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170207153023/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-dnipropetrovsk-rdvl_eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170211022339/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/kiev-ivm-fact-sheet-eng.pdf

 

 

[JagSquared]

5 hours ago, dockers_strike said:

Yep. Saw a vid of a Russia attack helicopter being taken out by a missile. I thought 'there's people in that thing, someone's son, father or brother' and felt for them. They didnt stand a chance once the missile locked on.

 

Equally, I saw another vid of a car driving down a road. It stopped when the driver saw a Russia tank. The tank obliterated the car with 2 shells. Turns out the car was driven by an arl fella and his wife trying to get somewhere safe. I felt for them too and thought the tank commander should rot in hell and get his come uppance.

Yep I actually haven’t intentionally watched a single video of the war, I’m trying to keep up via articles. Everytime I do see burnt out car or tank or building that was once a home or someone’s lively hood I just feel sad to be honest. 
 

War is absolute hell and pointless. The vast majority of the dead and those left behind didn’t want this (on either side) but yet they pay the ultimate price of the egos of the powerful who are safely tucked away from the fighting.

 

hopefully it’s over soon.

[Gnasher]

37 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

 

 

 

 

Good god, when's this madness going to stop?

[Rico1304]

47 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Having an oligarch backing you might get a bit of power :

 

 

The guy who broke the story about Pandora has already debunked this.  

[Gnasher]

The Conservative friends of Russia group has been wound up, I wonder why?

 

 

[Gnasher]

20 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

The guy who broke the story about Pandora has already debunked this.  

Link?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

 

 

 

[dockers_strike]

10 minutes ago, JagSquared said:

Yep I actually haven’t intentionally watched a single video of the war, I’m trying to keep up via articles. Everytime I do see burnt out car or tank or building that was once a home or someone’s lively hood I just feel sad to be honest. 
 

War is absolute hell and pointless. The vast majority of the dead and those left behind didn’t want this (on either side) but yet they pay the ultimate price of the egos of the powerful who are safely tucked away from the fighting.

 

hopefully it’s over soon.

I havent been deliberately looking for vids either, mate. Unfortunately they were embedded in online news articles so played automatically.

 

I read now that Russian forces have bombed a fucking maternity hospital leaving new borns, mothers and medics buried under rubble? Dont know whether it's poor intel, a deliberate act of wayward shells but this is inhumane.

 

 

[JagSquared]

9 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

I havent been deliberately looking for vids either, mate. Unfortunately they were embedded in online news articles so played automatically.

 

I read now that Russian forces have bombed a fucking maternity hospital leaving new borns, mothers and medics buried under rubble? Dont know whether it's poor intel, a deliberate act of wayward shells but this is inhumane.

 

 

Yep that post on here linking to it was another in a long line that news that brings home how much of a shit show this and all wars are. 

[Red Phoenix]

31 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

The guy who broke the story about Pandora has already debunked this.  

 

He debunked that Kolomoysky funded the Azov Battalion?