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What hill are you willing to die on?


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Torpenhow Hill;

 

Torpenhow Hill is a hill near the village of Torpenhow in Cumbria, England that has acquired a name that is a quadruple tautology. There is no landform officially known as Torpenhow Hill there; the name is a ghost word,[1] and is sometimes used as an example of "quadruple redundancy" in tautological placename etymologies (such as the Laacher See's "lake lake" and the Mekong River's "river river river").

Tor, pen, and how can all mean "hill" in different languages (torr from Old English, penn from Old Welsh and haugr from Old Norse, respectively)[2] so that a literal translation of "Torpenhow Hill" would be "Hill-hill-hill Hill", in an extreme example of a multilingual tautological place name.[3] It was used as a convenient example for the nature of loanword adoption by Thomas Comber in c. 1880.[4] The idea apparently goes back to Denton (1688)[page needed][5] who noted that Torpenhow Hall and church stand on a 'rising topped hill', which he assumed might have been the source of the name of the village.[6] The current village of Torpenhow is on the side of a hill rather than at the top.

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

If it's set at Christmas, it's a Christmas film. Them's the rules.

 

The fact that it's Christmas is entirely incidental to the plot. You could replace the Christmas party with a regular office party and the film would lose nothing except one visual gag.

 

It doesn't even have snow ffs.

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6 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Torpenhow Hill;

 

Torpenhow Hill is a hill near the village of Torpenhow in Cumbria, England that has acquired a name that is a quadruple tautology. There is no landform officially known as Torpenhow Hill there; the name is a ghost word,[1] and is sometimes used as an example of "quadruple redundancy" in tautological placename etymologies (such as the Laacher See's "lake lake" and the Mekong River's "river river river").

Tor, pen, and how can all mean "hill" in different languages (torr from Old English, penn from Old Welsh and haugr from Old Norse, respectively)[2] so that a literal translation of "Torpenhow Hill" would be "Hill-hill-hill Hill", in an extreme example of a multilingual tautological place name.[3] It was used as a convenient example for the nature of loanword adoption by Thomas Comber in c. 1880.[4] The idea apparently goes back to Denton (1688)[page needed][5] who noted that Torpenhow Hall and church stand on a 'rising topped hill', which he assumed might have been the source of the name of the village.[6] The current village of Torpenhow is on the side of a hill rather than at the top.

 

 

Pronounced Trapennah.

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18 minutes ago, Neil G said:

 

The fact that it's Christmas is entirely incidental to the plot. You could replace the Christmas party with a regular office party and the film would lose nothing except one visual gag.

 

It doesn't even have snow ffs.

I can't remember the last time I saw snow on Christmas Day.

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1 hour ago, TheBigGreenBastard said:

mountains are not funny, they are hill areas.

It might be a Monroe, what's more what of kind question is that? 

Anyhow Early Morning Rain by Peter Paul and Mary, the black and white video is great. 

Even if the two fellas look sinister. 

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4 hours ago, Neil G said:

Die Hard is not a Christmas film.

 

 

The heartwarming story of a man separated from his family struggling through trials and tribulations to be reunited with them to celebrate Christmas. What could be more Christmas than that.

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1 hour ago, Anubis said:

 

 

The heartwarming story of a man separated from his family struggling through trials and tribulations to be reunited with them to celebrate Christmas. What could be more Christmas than that.


Incidental. Family reunification is a heartwarming cinematic trope all year round. Die Hard would not be diminished in any way without the Christmas references.

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3 minutes ago, Neil G said:


Incidental. Family reunification is a heartwarming cinematic trope all year round. Die Hard would not be diminished in any way without the Christmas references.

That's like saying Home Alone would have been the same if it was a summer holiday.

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1 hour ago, Anubis said:

 

 

The heartwarming story of a man separated from his family struggling through trials and tribulations to be reunited with them to celebrate Christmas. What could be more Christmas than that.

The key to Die Hard being or not being a Christmas movie is the novel the movie is based on - Nothing Lasts Forever, which in itself was the sequel to the novel The Detective. The Detective was made into a movie in 1968 with Frank Sinatra. I've not seen The Detective, neither have I read either of the novels. If none of these are set in a Christmas environment, that would definitely make Die Hard a Christmas movie. If the novel Nothing Lasts Forever just happens to be set in a party that happens to be at Christmas, there's a strong case for it not being a Christmas movie as it's just an adaptation.

 

I've seen nothing on the synopsis of the novel to suggest that the novel is set at Christmas, but I can't be certain of that. I'd have to read it.

 

Edit: Full synopsis of the novel...It's set on Christmas Eve. I've swung to the idea it's not a Christmas movie, just set to a backdrop of Christmas.

 

NYPD Detective Joe Leland is retired from the force and traveling to Los Angeles on Christmas Eve to visit his estranged daughter, Stephanie Genarro. On his flight to LA, he stirs up a relationship with an airline stewardess named Kathi before landing. He is then picked up in a limo and taken to where Stephanie's Christmas party is, at the top floor of the Klaxon Oil Building, an enormous skyscraper downtown. After meeting Stephanie and the other executives, Joe goes to clean up. To help combat the effects of jet lag, he takes off his shoes and begins rubbing his feet, and leaves a message on Kathi's answering machine. At this time, twelve politically motivated European terrorists, led by psychotic Anton "Little Tony the Red" Gruber, arrive on the floor and take all 72 guests as hostages, including Stephanie and her children. Joe takes his Browning pistol, and slips away. Joe must then walk the fine line between taking out the terrorists, coordinating with the LAPD, and keeping himself and the hostages alive.

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