RB Leipzig (A) UCL - Tues 16th Feb 2021 at 20:00

[leslie]

8 hours ago, skaro said:

Couldn't have been him.

Didn't finish with "Glory Glory Man United and/or City"

When Tyler commentates we mostly play well and usually win

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4 minutes ago, leslie said:

When Tyler commentates we mostly play well and usually win

Yes, he did do an awful lot of commentating in the 70s and 80s.

[Chairman Meow]

7 minutes ago, skaro said:

Yes, he did do an awful lot of commentating in the 70s and 80s.

You mean he did a lot of awful commentating?

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2 minutes ago, Chairman Meow said:

You mean he did a lot of awful commentating?

 

 

 

 

[Saintslfc13]

8 hours ago, Joey8FrogsLegs said:

Definately. Like someone wrote on here the other day, it may not be corruption, a combination of concious or unconcious bias and pure incompetence is a more likely explenation.

That's where I'm at with it. Can't prove corruption (though I wouldn't be surprised and I think every major sport probably has a certainly level of that going on if I'm honest) but at the least there's a bias in the premiership officiating, whilst I do think they're generally incompetent. They've made a mess of VAR as compared to the CL and from what I've been reading the vast majority of the European leagues that use it.

[Jimmy Hills Chin]

9 hours ago, skaro said:

 

We had Martin Tyler on our commentary in Australia.

He sounded like he was on Mogadons.

 

 

you lucky, lucky bastards!

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25 minutes ago, Saintslfc13 said:

That's where I'm at with it. Can't prove corruption (though I wouldn't be surprised and I think every major sport probably has a certainly level of that going on if I'm honest) but at the least there's a bias in the premiership officiating, whilst I do think they're generally incompetent. They've made a mess of VAR as compared to the CL and from what I've been reading the vast majority of the European leagues that use it.

It's fairly common knowledge that FIFA has been rampantly corrupt.

Why not other sub-sections of football administration?

What is so preposterous about such a contention?

I'm not saying this VAR/officials thing is corruption, but what is so outrageous about thinking that it might be?

 

 

 

 

[Saintslfc13]

13 minutes ago, skaro said:

It's fairly common knowledge that FIFA has been rampantly corrupt.

Why not other sub-sections of football administration?

What is so preposterous about such a contention?

I'm not saying this VAR/officials thing is corruption, but what is so outrageous about thinking that it might be?

 

 

 

 

I don't think it's preposterous at all, I think it's likely even. I'm just saying that as yet there is no way to prove it as far as the premiership itself is concerned. If any the fact that all the other major football leagues seem to have implemented VAR a lot better IS evidence of that corruption, but it's just as easy to say that it's bias and/or incompetence until there is proof.

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16 minutes ago, Saintslfc13 said:

I don't think it's preposterous at all, I think it's likely even. I'm just saying that as yet there is no way to prove it as far as the premiership itself is concerned. If any the fact that all the other major football leagues seem to have implemented VAR a lot better IS evidence of that corruption, but it's just as easy to say that it's bias and/or incompetence until there is proof.

 

Yep, sorry, was agreeing with you and just being rhetorical.

 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Allegedly Ferguson getting certain Referees banned from officiating their games when others couldn't is a corruption of the game. Not all corruption is a cloak and dagger operation. 

 

Who did he get banned from his games by the way I've heard this for years but I still don't know who he had banned if he even did.

[JustTosh]

3 hours ago, Joey8FrogsLegs said:

Good post. We were far from perfect. They gave us many opportunities to break and catch them off balance, and we never punished them like we did at our best a year or two ago. A bit like Brighton in the home game, they were also quite open at times. 
 

Also our defence looked about as shaky as it has done for a while, but without the glaring individual mistakes yesterday. Many fail or refuse to see this however when we win. Probably some of the same people that will say everything was shite, we’ve been found out and we need a new team the next time we loose.

 

 

 

This is not the time for criticism. We needed this and it's something to build on.

 

From 10-15 mins until we scored our second we were good I think. After 2-0 we were not very good. We were giving away way too many chances, were unable to punish their ultra offensive pressing game, and lost most of the 2nd balls. When we stopped them they took the ball back within seconds, a bit like our style actually.

 

I think our players got complacent after the two victories against Spurs and West Ham. I feel they won't this time. Only discipline and hard work gets you over the line.

 

 

[stringvest]

13 hours ago, Anubis said:

And Dave gets to write a happy match report.

Dave's pulled all the letters off his laptop after the previous game.  

[stringvest]

4 hours ago, skaro said:

It's fairly common knowledge that FIFA has been rampantly corrupt.

Why not other sub-sections of football administration?

What is so preposterous about such a contention?

I'm not saying this VAR/officials thing is corruption, but what is so outrageous about thinking that it might be?

 

 

 

 

But why would there be a conspiracy against Liverpool?  This is not Thatcherism.  I don't buy it Skaro.  I think we are on the wrong end of dubious and often ridiculous decisions from time to time but so is everyone else.  See what other fans are saying, and it's the same sort of thing.  It's just rank poor quality refereeing.  

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1 minute ago, stringvest said:

But why would there be a conspiracy against Liverpool?  This is not Thatcherism.  I don't buy it Skaro.  I think we are on the wrong end of dubious and often ridiculous decisions from time to time but so is everyone else.  See what other fans are saying, and it's the same sort of thing.  It's just rank poor quality refereeing.  

 

Yes perhaps it is just rank poor quality.

My comment was more a "why not", Stringy.

Corruption can and does happen anywhere.

Why would there be a conspiracy against anything or anybody?

And when there is, can it always be logically explained?

Again, yes, it's probably just really really poor refereeing.

I'm not selling anything.

Just speculating.  Quite probably shite.

 

[DaveT]

Not sure where to put this, but there were some interesting comments from Eddie Jones, and particular reference to us.......

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/16/jones-claims-englands-poor-six-nations-start-down-to-drop-in-arousal-level

This is the key bit: 

Eddie Jones has put England’s substandard start to the Six Nations down to a problem with their “arousal level” and admitted his under-fire captain, Owen Farrell, is one of a number of players struggling for form.

 

While those may sound like the words of a Viagra salesman, Jones points to a scientific study into the Austrian football team RB Salzburg to back up his claim that playing behind closed doors has a negative impact on aggression. The research shows that there were almost 20% fewer “emotional” incidents in matches in empty stadiums compared to in front of crowds.

Jones also made the frank admission that Farrell – renowned for his aggressive edge – has been below par in the disappointing defeat by Scotland and the routine win over Italy but said his captain was far from the only one.

 

Jones does not have an immediate solution – saying simple rabble-rousing no longer works in the modern game – but believes the problem to be all the more acute in rugby where a certain level of aggression is a prerequisite. “The arousal level is the thing we are looking at the most,” said Jones, an Umbro ambassador. “Games have tended to be less aggressive generally in rugby and I think it has been the same in football. There’s a bit of research that shows the arousal level of players has dropped and therefore the type of play or the type of behaviour has been less aggressive.

“In our sport that is a particularly important area so we have to investigate that. If you look at our first performance against Scotland we lacked our normal aggression, we lacked our normal go-at-them game. We were a little bit better against Italy but still not where we need to be. If I look at Liverpool, who are an aggressive team, they are really at their best when they are pressing hard and they attack hard, their whole crowd is aggressive. Is that one of the reasons why they have dropped off?”

 

It ties in with comments about this season's footy that a lot of us have been making. The matches just seem so much less intense, and the only really aggressive (nasty) challenges I can recall seeing this season have mostly been on our lads. 

[Thoth]

[Herp McDerp]

5 minutes ago, Thoth said:

 

Maybe wait a couple of weeks eh

[Guest]

Looks like the second leg is likely to be on a neutral venue too, probably Budapest again. 

[VladimirIlyich]

5 hours ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Looks like the second leg is likely to be on a neutral venue too, probably Budapest again. 

Great idea! Let's take two teams from coronavirus ridden countries and fly them to yet another country not once but twice in a fortnight. What could possibly go wrong?