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Summer 2021 transfer thread.


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12 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Well my point was that even in our heyday we still lost some of our best players. That was it. So not sure how that is completely wrong.

Its not wrong and neither is my statement that it's different now. Higher wages, agents offering players to other clubs, image rights. I think it was a while back now but it was stated that two seasons with a top six club would enable you to invest and pretty much set you up as comfortable for life. He is right that back then players gave a fairly sizeable chunk of their careers to the club but also back then, for the large majority of players, there was not a desire to play overseas and of course the clubs held all the aces with contracts.

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31 minutes ago, CapeRed said:

Its not wrong and neither is my statement that it's different now. Higher wages, agents offering players to other clubs, image rights. I think it was a while back now but it was stated that two seasons with a top six club would enable you to invest and pretty much set you up as comfortable for life. He is right that back then players gave a fairly sizeable chunk of their careers to the club but also back then, for the large majority of players, there was not a desire to play overseas and of course the clubs held all the aces with contracts.

You can cite higher wages and they do get paid higher wages but Clubs also earn significantly more than they did in the eighties. Football was not as exposed as it is today. Players earned a good wage comparable to the guy on the street at the time but in line with Club earnings.

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Can’t blame people not doing big business this year, have you seen the potential market next summer? Could be getting Camavinga, Goretzka, Mbappe and Haaland for a combined £75m. Obviously there’ll be about £200m in hidden fees there but for teams that aren’t us that’s no problem.

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2 hours ago, CapeRed said:

Yep I would say the worst amount of shit happened. Season ending injuries to Virgil and Joe, Matip coming back early then suffering an injury that put him out from Jan would be considered really bad luck. On top of that we had a period where we couldnt hit a cows arse with a banjo. I think we will see a difference this season .

i would agree we will see a difference this season - partly because we've effectively traded fringe players like wilson, grujic and Awoniyi who contributed zero on the field, plus the squad place of gini to accommodate a centre back. I don't think Matip was bad luck at all. We played him with an injury all season and just tried to nurse him through and it wasn't possible - klopp talked about it that we need to rest him, but couldn't. But he like gomez have no track record of constantly staying fit. When they hit a long run of games it's unusual. You can call it bad luck, i think injured players being injured is just poor planning. it was a gamble klopp felt he had to take because he didn't want to go into the season without a back up left back again - but he shouldn't be in that position. we're now told we can't bring in any one because of our foreign quota - yet nobody forced us to take Kostas over Jamal Lewis last season, it was just a couple of million quid difference, but again we chose the cheaper option. but this now hinders our squad management. 

1 hour ago, Jose Jones said:

Man City lost 1 player. One. Uno. We lost 3. That is, works it out on fingers, three times as bad. Not even twice!

So yeah, pretty unprecedented.

We used 3 centre back combos in 19-20. 20 different combinations last season. 

Tell you what, go back through our history, find where we won the league, then the next season lost all 3 top centre backs to season ending injuries and then still won the league.

 

Did City only lose one player? I thought they were playing Fernandinho at centre back for quite some time because the injuries were more than that. and as for us losing 3 - we already had fabinho playing centre back while the summer window was still open. it was easily forecast. we knew gomez and matip would have injury problems. we just chose to bet the house on vvd staying fit and he is that good you can play a cardboard cut out next to him. i said when the season started i expected fabinho to play more games at centre back than matip and gomez. 

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11 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Did City only lose one player? I thought they were playing Fernandinho at centre back for quite some time because the injuries were more than that. 

Yea just the one, and not even for the whole season - Laporte played a bunch after his injury.

Fernandinho was always going to be used at CB that season - that was when Guardiola froze Stones out and wanted rid of Otamendi. I think he played with Laporte at the beginning of the season.

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2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Yea just the one, and not even for the whole season - Laporte played a bunch after his injury.

Fernandinho was always going to be used at CB that season - that was when Guardiola froze Stones out and wanted rid of Otamendi. I think he played with Laporte at the beginning of the season.

i thought Stones was injured to be honest. I don't remember about Otamendi, in fact i always thought it a bonus if he was fit and playing. 

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3 hours ago, TD_LFC said:

We stayed top until December with Fabinho at centre back and Henderson at 6.

Good point.

 

Fabinho or Hendsrron in the 6 makes us formidable, so long as we have proper centre backs.

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Just now, m0e said:

Good point.

 

Fabinho or Hendsrron in the 6 makes us formidable, so long as we have proper centre backs.

It is clear that for the first 3rd and the last 3rd of the season, we were the best team in the league imo - even if that was below the incredible levels we set the year before. but it all counts for zero if you are in relegation form in the other 3rd, which is pretty much where we were. Personally, I think the core of the problem was we'd had some success in using Milner as the mend and make do player plugging holes in the squad in previous years and tried to replicate it. That worked OK with Milner, because when we put him there, we were just losing a fella off the bench. Once we started pulling players from our first XI to fill other specialist positions, we just damaged too many parts of the team. for me the lesson learnt is don't go into the season with a player who is in the top 3 in the world in his position as a fill in for another position where he'd likely get 10 games or more (and 10 is on the low side considering Lovren had played 15 the year before). Aiming for Fab to spend 20-30% of his season at centre back and then his backup is another who carries injuries was just catastrophic. So in the period where it wasn't catastrophic, we were a good team (or at least knew how to win). I understood the gamble we tried to make last season and it might have worked had say a milner or chamberlain or something been the player who plugged the centre back gap (I don't mean they can play there, just they're subs and wouldn't have hurt somewhere else in the team) - but it ended up a master clusterfuck. 

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Hearing Pjanic is already in the UK, looking at a deal to join us. He's being advised by a former Villa striker and and a former striker of ours. 

 

 

You could say it's Pjanic on the streets of London, he's with Dublin, Dundee and looking to join our side. 

 

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

Hearing Pjanic is already in the UK, looking at a deal to join us. He's being advised by a former Villa striker and and a former striker of ours. 

 

 

You could say it's Pjanic on the streets of London, he's with Dublin, Dundee and looking to join our side. 

 

 

 

 

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