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37 minutes ago, Herp McDerp said:

 

 

One for the shitness of modern football thread that. Same goes for the super league some on here seem so keen on because we didn't get a penalty against someone once. I would hate for the TV rights to end up being divvied up the way it is in Spain, may as well just relegate 2/3rds of the league, have a top 6 mini league and be done with it if that's the way we're headed.

Baseball recognized this 30 years ago and have managed to keep a pretty good parity but it is done through rev sharing and luxury taxes on wages.

As an example Tampa has been to the AL championship twice in the last few years and they are in the bottom 5 for revenue. When I lived in AZ the Diamondbacks won the World Series in their 4th year of existence and they are in the bottom 10.

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30 minutes ago, Herp McDerp said:

 

 

One for the shitness of modern football thread that. Same goes for the super league some on here seem so keen on because we didn't get a penalty against someone once. I would hate for the TV rights to end up being divvied up the way it is in Spain, may as well just relegate 2/3rds of the league, have a top 6 mini league and be done with it if that's the way we're headed.

It is the way we're headed. It's why there's so many people involved to make money. Football used to be a play thing for rich people to boost their ego and they loved the game - they were rich at least in a local sense. The past 20 years have changed all that and it's now a place for mega rich people on any measure to boost their wallets or states with terrible human rights records trying to convince us they're alright really because they're into footy just like me & you. Very few people running the game now do it for the love of the sport. If they did, this whole VAR fiasco would have been put into a rocket and blasted ages ago, but none of them want to admit it's killing the game in case it undermines their product and their opportunity to make more money. Nobody wants to be a Gerald Ratner. 

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8 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Baseball recognized this 30 years ago and have managed to keep a pretty good parity but it is done through rev sharing and luxury taxes on wages.

As an example Tampa has been to the AL championship twice in the last few years and they are in the bottom 5 for revenue. When I lived in AZ the Diamondbacks won the World Series in their 4th year of existence and they are in the bottom 10.

I think it's much easier to share revenues when there's no relegation - for a capitalist country, the Americans have been very good at delivering socialism in their sports.  In effect qualifying for the CL or not is a form of relegation too and the top sides need to compete internationally as well as domestically. The pyramid nature of football is on the one hand the model of the American dream, where anyone can rise to the top, but on the other hand creates a situation where creating a level playing field is never in the interests of the few at the top. 

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6 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I agree with the main point but what leagues are we ever talking about that are not in capitalist countries?

i meant to put a "such" in there .. so such a capitalist country. while i am not saying the UK isn't a capitalist country, we certainly don't think socialism is a dirty word, which i don't think is true of america. 

 

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10 hours ago, Herp McDerp said:

 

 

One for the shitness of modern football thread that. Same goes for the super league some on here seem so keen on because we didn't get a penalty against someone once. I would hate for the TV rights to end up being divvied up the way it is in Spain, may as well just relegate 2/3rds of the league, have a top 6 mini league and be done with it if that's the way we're headed.

It’s definitely one for the modern football is shit.  What would be worse though is us becoming completely irrelevant.  Watching City and Chelsea continue to spend country’s GDP and United just getting laughable sponsorships deals we never seem to get.  We won the lottery with Klopp and the chances of it happening again are slim to none.  We could compete with these clubs if we had our own rights to games.  It’s not our fault football has turned into this shitfest but if we want to be in the club of 3 or 4 teams that can actually win the big trophies from England then in the long term it has to happen.

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2 minutes ago, The Guest said:

It’s definitely one for the modern football is shit.  What would be worse though is us becoming completely irrelevant.  Watching City and Chelsea continue to spend country’s GDP and United just getting laughable sponsorships deals we never seem to get.  We won the lottery with Klopp and the chances of it happening again are slim to none.  We could compete with these clubs if we had our own rights to games.  It’s not our fault football has turned into this shitfest but if we want to be in the club of 3 or 4 teams that can actually win the big trophies from England then in the long term it has to happen.

Sounds like great entertainment, let's make the league almost non competitive will really drive the ratings through the roof.

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4 minutes ago, The Guest said:

It’s definitely one for the modern football is shit.  What would be worse though is us becoming completely irrelevant.  Watching City and Chelsea continue to spend country’s GDP and United just getting laughable sponsorships deals we never seem to get.  We won the lottery with Klopp and the chances of it happening again are slim to none.  We could compete with these clubs if we had our own rights to games.  It’s not our fault football has turned into this shitfest but if we want to be in the club of 3 or 4 teams that can actually win the big trophies from England then in the long term it has to happen.

Exactly. People need to be pragmatic rather than hark back to how things were even 20 years ago. City are always going to spend shitloads of money. In 10 years time, it will be 'accepted' their owner is inflating the club's deals, more so with this owning 8 or 9 other clubs, most of which are in nothing leagues so clearly bought to become a vehicle for whatever reason.

 

Abramovic lost interest in chelsea for a few seasons when mansour's spending blew him out of the water. For whatever reason, his interest has been piqued again and he's throwing money at chelsea. £200m+ for fwank and now Tuchel reportedly in line for another £200m.

 

Personally, Im shit fed up seeing the same old yo yo teams like West Brom, Watford, Fulham, Norwich and others flit between the Championship and The PL, park 11 men behind the ball and seemingly shit their pants before they take the field against city.

 

The shitness of modern football isnt seeing Liverpool play the top European teams in a proper league, it's seeing the same shit yo yo teams and a few other perenial PL stragglers come and just sit deep, play 11 behind theball andhavetheir fuckingkeeper waste a minute or so over every goal kick.

 

Id welcome binning them off and seeing the likes of Juve, Bayern, Real Madrid and a few others.

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18 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

 

The shitness of modern football isnt seeing Liverpool play the top European teams in a proper league, it's seeing the same shit yo yo teams and a few other perenial PL stragglers come and just sit deep, play 11 behind theball andhavetheir fuckingkeeper waste a minute or so over every goal kick.

 

Id welcome binning them off and seeing the likes of Juve, Bayern, Real Madrid and a few others.

Agree with this. 

The Arab and Russian money has warped football too much, and unless FFP actually works then it's pointless fighting against them and trying to clean the game up. They will run rings around the governing bodies.  They already have. 

 

You wonder how much deeper their money goes, bungs, specifically.  Why not?  It's not like they've got to where they are with ethics or respecting rules. Doping too, we all saw that Russian team a couple of years back breaking running records in games.  It was absurd. 

 

I think a European team is a way of protecting the game from these cunts.  Big clubs sticking together and self policing away from the FA and the referees association.  

 

Yes, the majority of football money will end up there, so what. But the lower leagues have to up their game I'd they want in.  No more of this grock bullshit that only works because some referees and domestic media are willing to overlook blatant over-physicality in search of a 'shock' result.  It's reductive and holds football back from the art-form it should be at the elite level.  

 

I'm not averse to physical football, but I'm averse to unaccountable referees deciding which teams can do it and which can't.  Fuck the British bizzies refereeing top games.  

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7 hours ago, SlugTrail said:

Sounds like great entertainment, let's make the league almost non competitive will really drive the ratings through the roof.

It's not exactly competitive now. City are about to win their 3rd league in 4 years. They did 2 with almost 200 points and while they started this season slowly, they've now won something like 14 or 15 on the bounce in the league. The level now is 100 points, this will be the 4th season running 95+ will win the league. In terms of turnover, Everton and west ham are at about 50% of the leading clubs , the gulf is absolutely massive. 

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Good news fellas. The echo are reporting we've signed the new Frank lampard. I bet he saves us millions. 

 

Liverpool might have signed new Lampard and rivals have noticed

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-might-signed-next-frank-19938857#ICID=Android_LFCEchoNewsApp_AppShare

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8 hours ago, dockers_strike said:

Exactly. People need to be pragmatic rather than hark back to how things were even 20 years ago. City are always going to spend shitloads of money. In 10 years time, it will be 'accepted' their owner is inflating the club's deals, more so with this owning 8 or 9 other clubs, most of which are in nothing leagues so clearly bought to become a vehicle for whatever reason.

 

Abramovic lost interest in chelsea for a few seasons when mansour's spending blew him out of the water. For whatever reason, his interest has been piqued again and he's throwing money at chelsea. £200m+ for fwank and now Tuchel reportedly in line for another £200m.

 

Personally, Im shit fed up seeing the same old yo yo teams like West Brom, Watford, Fulham, Norwich and others flit between the Championship and The PL, park 11 men behind the ball and seemingly shit their pants before they take the field against city.

 

The shitness of modern football isnt seeing Liverpool play the top European teams in a proper league, it's seeing the same shit yo yo teams and a few other perenial PL stragglers come and just sit deep, play 11 behind theball andhavetheir fuckingkeeper waste a minute or so over every goal kick.

 

Id welcome binning them off and seeing the likes of Juve, Bayern, Real Madrid and a few others.

I think you’re a bit off on the park the bus thing.  Norwich went down trying to play attacking football all year.  They were a pretty entertaining watch and gave us a scare in the first game that season.  Fulham don’t really do it either, neither do Sheff United or Leeds.  I’d say more sides being promoted actually play football than not these days.

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1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

It's not exactly competitive now. City are about to win their 3rd league in 4 years. They did 2 with almost 200 points and while they started this season slowly, they've now won something like 14 or 15 on the bounce in the league. The level now is 100 points, this will be the 4th season running 95+ will win the league. In terms of turnover, Everton and west ham are at about 50% of the leading clubs , the gulf is absolutely massive. 

It's competitive when compared to any other league out there. City inspite of spending so much are going to win only their 3rd in 5 years, imagine if they were in some other league and spending like this, they would have been 5 out of 5. 

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6 minutes ago, Bad Red Bull said:

It's competitive when compared to any other league out there. City inspite of spending so much are going to win only their 3rd in 5 years, imagine if they were in some other league and spending like this, they would have been 5 out of 5. 

but that's because our league is rigged with oil money. the other leagues are ruined for the exact same reason this one is - once teams establish themselves in the CL, they get the CL and a completely different level of sponsorship. The system is pretty fucked right now. Everton (who i think are the 7th or 8th in turnover in this country) turn over about 70% of our wage bill. Our wage bill is about 60% of our turnover. 

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Those of you wanting the TV deals to be redrawnin our favour at the expense of the smaller clubs or calling for super leagues may as well go the whole hog and start praying to be taken over by the Saudis while you're at it. You're no different to City and Chelsea fans as far as I'm concerned.

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9 hours ago, dockers_strike said:

Exactly. People need to be pragmatic rather than hark back to how things were even 20 years ago. City are always going to spend shitloads of money. In 10 years time, it will be 'accepted' their owner is inflating the club's deals, more so with this owning 8 or 9 other clubs, most of which are in nothing leagues so clearly bought to become a vehicle for whatever reason.

 

Abramovic lost interest in chelsea for a few seasons when mansour's spending blew him out of the water. For whatever reason, his interest has been piqued again and he's throwing money at chelsea. £200m+ for fwank and now Tuchel reportedly in line for another £200m.

 

Personally, Im shit fed up seeing the same old yo yo teams like West Brom, Watford, Fulham, Norwich and others flit between the Championship and The PL, park 11 men behind the ball and seemingly shit their pants before they take the field against city.

 

The shitness of modern football isnt seeing Liverpool play the top European teams in a proper league, it's seeing the same shit yo yo teams and a few other perenial PL stragglers come and just sit deep, play 11 behind theball andhavetheir fuckingkeeper waste a minute or so over every goal kick.

 

Id welcome binning them off and seeing the likes of Juve, Bayern, Real Madrid and a few others.

 

We could be making 10 times what we currently are and you'd still find a way to defend FSG signing a 50 year old Jon Walters in the January 2034 transfer window.

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47 minutes ago, Herp McDerp said:

 

We could be making 10 times what we currently are and you'd still find a way to defend FSG signing a 50 year old Jon Walters in the January 2034 transfer window.

 

Clint Dempsey or no one!

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1 hour ago, Herp McDerp said:

 

We could be making 10 times what we currently are and you'd still find a way to defend FSG signing a 50 year old Jon Walters in the January 2034 transfer window.

 

If he was ever the answer, I don't want to know the question.

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2 hours ago, The Guest said:

I think you’re a bit off on the park the bus thing.  Norwich went down trying to play attacking football all year.  They were a pretty entertaining watch and gave us a scare in the first game that season.  Fulham don’t really do it either, neither do Sheff United or Leeds.  I’d say more sides being promoted actually play football than not these days.

I think you are right to an extent here. To gain promotion you have to be a good attacking team and few of thpse are going to completely change their style in a single season after promotion.

 

The perennial cloggers lurk in spots 12-17 

 

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2 hours ago, Herp McDerp said:

 

We could be making 10 times what we currently are and you'd still find a way to defend FSG signing a 50 year old Jon Walters in the January 2034 transfer window.

And you'd still be whinging 10 times more wasnt enough if they did.

 

Just to explain it once more for you: I want the club to be self sustaining and not depending on being an owners play thing like city and chelsea are with mansour and abramovic. I dont want the club 'owing' the owner or banks billions of pounds or be saddled with debt that the owner pays off if and when he wants or face a mad scramble to find money to pay off that debt when the banks call it in. I want to see the club bring young lads through from the Academy to the first team and integrated with the first team. I'd rather the club picked up gems like in the past with Clemence, Keegan, Gerrard, Coutinho, Torres etc and mould them into world stars. I dont see a need for the club to be buying 4 or 5 players a season costing £70m each.

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14 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I think you are right to an extent here. To gain promotion you have to be a good attacking team and few of thpse are going to completely change their style in a single season after promotion.

 

The perennial cloggers lurk in spots 12-17 

 

Fuck you! 

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4 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

And you'd still be whinging 10 times more wasnt enough if they did.

 

Just to explain it once more for you: I want the club to be self sustaining and not depending on being an owners play thing like city and chelsea are with mansour and abramovic. I dont want the club 'owing' the owner or banks billions of pounds or be saddled with debt that the owner pays off if and when he wants or face a mad scramble to find money to pay off that debt when the banks call it in. I want to see the club bring young lads through from the Academy to the first team and integrated with the first team. I'd rather the club picked up gems like in the past with Clemence, Keegan, Gerrard, Coutinho, Torres etc and mould them into world stars. I dont see a need for the club to be buying 4 or 5 players a season costing £70m each.

Our current "self sustaining" model roughly equates to maintaining some kind of sell to buy equilibrium. Our net outlay on transfers is minimal. I would think the best case scenario in the picking up gems model is to become an english Borussia dortmund.  In effect, operate as a second tier club but every now and again hit the jackpot and have a short run of success. Thats a best case scenario. You could just as easily plod along like Arsenal or Tottenham.

 

There isn't an obvious solution. No-one can compete with the Oil Money head on. Klopps genius brought us close and I think we should have looked to make a bit of hay while on top but our owners for whatever reason thought differently.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

And you'd still be whinging 10 times more wasnt enough if they did.

 

Just to explain it once more for you: I want the club to be self sustaining and not depending on being an owners play thing like city and chelsea are with mansour and abramovic. I dont want the club 'owing' the owner or banks billions of pounds or be saddled with debt that the owner pays off if and when he wants or face a mad scramble to find money to pay off that debt when the banks call it in. I want to see the club bring young lads through from the Academy to the first team and integrated with the first team. I'd rather the club picked up gems like in the past with Clemence, Keegan, Gerrard, Coutinho, Torres etc and mould them into world stars. I dont see a need for the club to be buying 4 or 5 players a season costing £70m each.

 

There's no need for you to explain anything, I understood the gist of your argument and was just telling you that it's equal parts idiotic and myopic.

 

Oh and I believe that people like you are not far removed from City and Chelsea fans in your "Fuck you we've got ours" attitude.

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