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1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Really? These are world class athletes. Over the last few decades that has changed massively. It is ridiculous to suggest a 29 year old has any disadvantage over a 24 year old now.

This seems true on the surface, mostly because of a few well-known examples giving sample bias, but it is just not borne out by the data. Whether you look at total minutes played, shots/90, whatever, everything indicates that a footballer's peak is around 26-27.

 

Don't misunderstand - I'm not for a second implying that Mo is now rubbish and we should dump him. He is still one of the best footballers in the world, and will be in this upcoming season. It's just that his physical decline has now started. He will never be better than he is now, and in fact, while his decline will probably be minimal for a year, maybe two, after he reaches 31 he will slow down considerably. In certain positions, this isn't the end of the line, but for a wide forward who depends on his speed for most of his goals, if he loses even just a step, it's a huge blow.

 

Goalimpact, a measure of players' effectiveness against other similar level players, shows this:

 

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But, as Michael Caley notes here, the effect is more dramatic for wide players who tend to peak slightly earlier than others:

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As this chart shows, players generally peak between the ages of 25-28, but there are differences by position.

Wingers tend to peak and decline the earliest. Wide attackers under the age of 23 play more minutes than U-23 players at other positions, but wide attackers over 30 are much rarer than strikers or center-backs of an equally advanced age. While most of the curves are well on the downslope by 30, the curve for center-backs by contrast doesn't really begin to decline until 31 or 32.

This suggests a general rule. Players tend to get slower and generally lose athleticism as they age, but they also gain skills and know-how to balance that out. Positions that require the most athleticism are a young person's game, whereas older players will more often be found at positions that most prize guile.

Shots, another good measure of an attacking player's ability, shows the same decline post age 27 or so (data is a few years old but nothing major has changed since):


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6 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

Dont worry, the Echo will keep printing articles about Lebron James influence that will help secure big signings like this.

 

Which basically consists of him wearing a Liverpool kit once every 8 months. 

I know it's bollocks, but fuck it, it's fun to imagine it could happen.

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BREAKING: Fabio Vieira is getting closer to an exit away from FC Porto. His agent has been approached by Liverpool, and it may include possible deal involving both Marko Grujic and Fabio Vieira could be on the cards as Porto don’t want to pay full price for the Serbian. #LFC #FCP

 

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3 hours ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

Yes, he is. Will be a regular on the podium for Balon D'Ors in the years to come IMO. To say he's not a step up from those three is, frankly, laughable.

I've only seen Sancho in little cameos but I'm struggling with the hype. How can Dortmund scrape into the top if Sancho and Halaand are so good? Why does it look like Utd have a clear run at Sancho? If he was all that then Dortmund aren't scraping around 5th and 6th all season and better teams than Utd at the table for him. This move will be 4th money motivated move in no time at all, similar career paths to bad eggs like Pogba and  Sterling.

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6 minutes ago, No2 said:

I've only seen Sancho in little cameos but I'm struggling with the hype. How can Dortmund scrape into the top if Sancho and Halaand are so good? Why does it look like Utd have a clear run at Sancho? If he was all that then Dortmund aren't scraping around 5th and 6th all season and better teams than Utd at the table for him. This move will be 4th money motivated move in no time at all, similar career paths to bad eggs like Pogba and  Sterling.

Dortmund consistently play naïve football and have a bunch of talented kids and slightly above average veterans.  None of that is conducive to winning. It doesn't say anything about 21 or 20 year olds if they aren't winning the league or Champions League at that age. Individually speaking, Sancho is a very talented and prolific player. In terms of someone having a free run at him, he's going to cost lots of money. Only a few teams can afford him and not everyone wants to spend 100m on a 21 year old. 

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2 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

If you meant Tammuel Abraham, he has 2 years left. I left him off my list because it would probably behoove us not to help Chelsea pay for Haaland by buying a merely decent striker off them. Wouldn't say he's a great fit for us if you go by who we've bought in the past either. 

We are talking about the same player but I most certainly 'meant' Kevin Abraham! 

 

I mentioned him for 2 reasons: as he seemed to vaguely meet the criteria in your previous post whilst most likely being available (perhaps not to us). Out of favour Chelsea striker to find his form at Liverpool has happened before. 2) I take an extremely vague interest in him because he'd be a third LFC player to share my birthday, not that I am actually that interested in us signing him. He should go to Dortmund to replace Haaland or maybe Leipzig. 

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I reckon that Watkins from Villa would do very well for us.

 

Unlikely given what they paid for him only a year ago, but i think he will be boss over next 3 years.

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16 hours ago, Horus said:

I see some merit in this argument, but our team is just so set up in blocks these days, that unless we get players to break them, then we're a couple of seasons away from being in the kind of trouble that £20m net each season won't get close to fixing. We're not even in for the best strikers either, so what does that tell both of us? 

What do you mean by this?

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16 hours ago, Horus said:

So now we've gone from me suggesting we should be all over Sancho - which is the truth, to me wanting a bench full of £80m players. Come on, dude. 

Do we even know if Sancho wants to come to us , If not what is this argument even about ? 

Klopp doesn't get his knickers in a twist over any player who isn't arsed about us , and neither do I 

If klopp wants him , he wants to come and the owners refuse the price tag , then and only then is this an actual problem . 

Until then people are dreaming that they know what's going behind the scenes. 

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19 hours ago, Jockey said:

Nothing I have seen from Sancho suggests he is getting to that level in the next few years. 

 

All this talk about what 'we need' is just arrogant nonsense. We have won the league, we've clearly not 'needed' anything. You may like something else  - but that is on you - but we don't 'need' it. An evolution in the squad is fine for us at the moment. Maybe if some of our fans appreciated the world class talent up front we wouldn't be losing our shit because we are not getting an overpriced Chris Waddle. 

Of course he's getting to that level. With the right manager and coaching behind him, he will only get better. He's playing in a top league, and is starting to show it at international level too. By people wanting Sancho or saying we should buy him doesn't shit on the achievements of the current squad.

 

Our front three have done great, but can we really hope to drag another 2 or 3 years out of them? Salah and Mane are pace players and they are approaching 30. That pace won't last forever. We need tricky forwards who beat players to open up defences and spaces for us, and we have to look to the future.

 

Evolution is buying a player like Sancho, he's young, gifted, quick, great passing ability and a better football brain than he gets credit for. 

18 hours ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

Yes, he is. Will be a regular on the podium for Balon D'Ors in the years to come IMO. To say he's not a step up from those three is, frankly, laughable.

People just don't see it or don't want to see it mate. Somebody also asked if he can do it in England and the prem? I mean the kid played here all his life and was brought up on the English game, to think he won't come here and be a huge success is crazy. 

 

Klopp has already put Salah and Van Dijk in the running for the Balon D'or, if he coached Sancho over the next few years he would absolutely get him to that level. His record with forwards is amazing. Our only hope is the Manc Goblin has no clue and Sancho doesn't progress under him like he would under Klopp.

 

20 hours ago, Horus said:

You get Sancho if you've got a chance. If we don't get a couple of players who can carry the ball through the lines and commit defenders, then things are going to be grim next season. A signing that would likely see out the best years of is career here should be a no-brainer, but seems we've had a taste and now FSG think they've got another 30 years in the bank for us to win the odd cup. 

 

After the shit they pulled a couple of months ago, the fact they have the easiest lives of any owners is fucking laughable. 

Yeah i agree, players like him don't come around very often and working under Klopp for a few years would put us in a great position going forward. You can't just sit on what you have and run it into the ground and re-build from the bottom up. Sancho would work his way into our team and in the coming seasons be ready to take over from Mane or Salah.

 

I have backed the owners over the years but i do agree that they have the easiest of lives (compared to the other clubs). While i don't want our supporters protesting like those Manc dickheads, i do think they should spend money from their own pockets every once in a while. This is one of those times they should. They won't of course and we will miss out on the chance to sign an absolutely brilliant young player who would probably come to us if Klopp came calling. 

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Sancho rumoured to have agreed to £350k per week at United. He hasn't the slightest interest in coming to us to earn half that, even if we could afford the fee... 

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Some rumours we are trying to sign Gravenberch from Ajax. Preferably for this season but if not, a Keita style agreement that sees us sign him next season but leaves him at Ajax for a season.

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4 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Some rumours we are trying to sign Gravenberch from Ajax. Preferably for this season but if not, a Keita style agreement that sees us sign him next season but leaves him at Ajax for a season.

That’s the sort of thing we need to do more often. It’s the only way we are going to get these players. 

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9 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Some rumours we are trying to sign Gravenberch from Ajax. Preferably for this season but if not, a Keita style agreement that sees us sign him next season but leaves him at Ajax for a season.

Where are you seeing that rumour? Admittedly I’ve only seen YouTube compilations but he looks like a real prospect.

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