Summer 2021 transfer thread.

[Lee909]

33 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

ha ha love this!

 

Expectations are very low at this club these days Anubis.

 

I think it all stems from the the whole LFC going under stuff when FSG bought us, like that was ever going to happen. people are seemingly content for us to be run properly and any trophy is a bonus.

Well fuck that.

 

When we were dominant we kept our best players and we let those that had run their course go. And why? Because we were fucking good and we had standards. We were well run, we were successful. We invested in the playing staff constantly and kept the best players on their toes, challenged and ready to go with new players year in year out.

 

None of this celebratory shit about signing contracts, you were considered blessed to be playing for this great Club. We went for every trophy in every competition and went out to win it all every season. None of this sacrificing bullshit because you've only got 12 decent players.

 

But times have changed. I noticed the players scott mentioned, well apart from McManaman and Owen who gave plenty of years, most moved on because we weren't successful on the pitch and never looked ambitious enough. thats why serial winners leave.

 

 

Also ignoring that in the 70/80s players rarely if ever moved abroad so where would the best players we had go?. 

 

The wages on offer wouldn't have been much higher anywhere in England. Today the best players are rarely British and will want to go. We could win the league and European cup three years on the trot and players would still consider a move to Real or Barca

[3 Stacks]

I'm not a historian of the club, but weren't we also simply richer than most clubs in the 70's and 80's? The teams we're competing against today make us look unambitious, but it's because their means are completely off the scale. 

 

Makes me laugh when the gimps on here complain about being outspent by Arsenal and Villa. We already have a strong 11, those teams don't and either want to catch up or join the elite. We're in the elite and still have almost every player that got us there. Not exactly surprising we aren't spending 100m every window. 

 

And when people talk about signings in the beginning of transfer windows, they're obviously speaking from a place of optimism about signing new players. No one ever goes; "gee, we should sign no one". Everyone hopes to sign players, but it doesn't mean it's a disaster for us if we don't sign a bunch and the manager is happy. 

[Brownie]

39 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

I'm not a historian of the club, but weren't we also simply richer than most clubs in the 70's and 80's? The teams we're competing against today make us look unambitious, but it's because their means are completely off the scale. 

 

Makes me laugh when the gimps on here complain about being outspent by Arsenal and Villa. We already have a strong 11, those teams don't and either want to catch up or join the elite. We're in the elite and still have almost every player that got us there. Not exactly surprising we aren't spending 100m every window. 

 

And when people talk about signings in the beginning of transfer windows, they're obviously speaking from a place of optimism about signing new players. No one ever goes; "gee, we should sign no one". Everyone hopes to sign players, but it doesn't mean it's a disaster for us if we don't sign a bunch and the manager is happy. 

In terms of transfer fees alone, in the 70’s we were the 8th biggest spenders and in the 80’s we were the 2nd biggest spenders (Transfermarkt as the source).

 

People aren’t “gimps” for questioning why we’re skint.

 

Let’s not forget that we got to where we are now by selling one of our best players.

[Anubis]

Maths and English?

Geography and Geology?

Physics and Chemistry?

 

Yes, it’s Echo bullshit time.

 

 

[sir roger]

If he has to beat Milner on a bleep test he is trouble.

[an tha]

6 hours ago, Dr Nowt said:

I look forward to the news of his loan and loan fee

 

[3 Stacks]

31 minutes ago, Brownie said:

In terms of transfer fees alone, in the 70’s we were the 8th biggest spenders and in the 80’s we were the 2nd biggest spenders (Transfermarkt as the source).

 

People aren’t “gimps” for questioning why we’re skint.

 

Let’s not forget that we got to where we are now by selling one of our best players.

Ok, thanks for the info. They're defo gimps for mentioning Brighton, Villa and Arsenal outspend us, yes.

[JagSquared]

2 hours ago, m0e said:

I was talking about the main team members, Barry.

 

Origi hasn't been offered a new contract, as far as I can tell. Neither have Naby or Oxlade.

 

You say it should be a given. Messi, Ramos, Thiago Silva, Lewandowski, Donaruma, Pogba, Mbappe... loads of players did or are running theirs down.

 

It's not as simple a "given" as you suggest.

 

The players have to happy, have to believe in the manager, and have to believe they can win trophies.

 

That's never a given, and we've seen that fuck us in the recent past.

 

Every time we got close to a challenge, we lost someone soon after. McManaman and Owen were the first to use Bosman to exit the club.

 

Then, we lost Fowler in 02 Alonso in 08, Suarez in 12, Coutinho in 18.

 

Only the latter was adequately replaced, and that's why we have what we have now.

 

We nearly lost Gerrard twice in 05 and 06 as well.

 

Full credit to Klopp and the club for keeping the best squad we've had since 87/88 together.

Slight nit pick but did we lose Fowler or did Ged prefer to have Owen and Heskey up front? 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

22 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Maths and English?

Geography and Geology?

Physics and Chemistry?

 

Yes, it’s Echo bullshit time.

 

 

Makes it sound like he's meeting the wizard blocking the bridge in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

 

For a Liver bird upon your chest

You must pass my cryptic test

[CapeRed]

1 hour ago, BeefStroganoff said:

ha ha love this!

 

Expectations are very low at this club these days Anubis.

 

I think it all stems from the the whole LFC going under stuff when FSG bought us, like that was ever going to happen. people are seemingly content for us to be run properly and any trophy is a bonus.

Well fuck that.

 

When we were dominant we kept our best players and we let those that had run their course go. And why? Because we were fucking good and we had standards. We were well run, we were successful. We invested in the playing staff constantly and kept the best players on their toes, challenged and ready to go with new players year in year out.

 

None of this celebratory shit about signing contracts, you were considered blessed to be playing for this great Club. We went for every trophy in every competition and went out to win it all every season. None of this sacrificing bullshit because you've only got 12 decent players.

 

But times have changed. I noticed the players scott mentioned, well apart from McManaman and Owen who gave plenty of years, most moved on because we weren't successful on the pitch and never looked ambitious enough. thats why serial winners leave.

So Keegan and Souness had run their course ?? Different times now, back then the clubs called the shots now its the agents and players. You cannot compare the 70's and 80's with now. Back then it was headline news when a player left for an overseas club, British talent wasnt that great and the top Spanish and Italian clubs were buying Dutch , German and French talent. Players now can pick and choose clubs and challenges so getting top players to commit to the club is worth a headline or two.

[CapeRed]

3 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

So our deadwood pile reads origi, shaq, karius & minamino. 3 of them we bought because they were bargains and there's this idea "we won't lose money on them". But they clog the squad up if you can't sell them. It's part of an approach the club choose to make. So here we are, supposedly not being able to buy players because we were skint (the early in the summer club story) but because the squad is full and we're at the foreign player quota. Don't flood your squad with cheap foreign players then just because they have a release clause. So you're right, it's not as easy as just saying "go". But that means buying players isn't as easy as going "oh look, a release clause, spreadsheet says yes". 

Out of the 4 you mention Karius is the only flat out failure. Minamino could still prove to be a good squad member and Shaq at time of signing was a good addition at the time, hardly flooding the squad with cheap foreign imports is it?

[Dr Nowt]

Makes it sound like he's meeting the wizard blocking the bridge in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

 

For a Liver bird upon your chest

You must pass my cryptic test

 

 

 

 

 

[Lee909]

34 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Makes it sound like he's meeting the wizard blocking the bridge in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

 

For a Liver bird upon your chest

You must pass my cryptic test

 

 

Bridgekeeper: What is your name?

Jeremy Doku: My name is Jeremy Doku.

Bridgekeeper: What is your quest?

Doku: To play for Liverpool

Bridgekeeper: What is your favourite colour?

Doku: Blue.

Bridgekeeper: Right. Off you go.

[Harry Squatter]

 

 

 

[BeefStroganoff]

48 minutes ago, CapeRed said:

So Keegan and Souness had run their course ?? Different times now, back then the clubs called the shots now its the agents and players. You cannot compare the 70's and 80's with now. Back then it was headline news when a player left for an overseas club, British talent wasnt that great and the top Spanish and Italian clubs were buying Dutch , German and French talent. Players now can pick and choose clubs and challenges so getting top players to commit to the club is worth a headline or two.

Mate those two plus Rush are the exceptions. All three took a chance of a lifetime after giving good service to the Club, 6, 6 and 6 years respectively.

 

Everyone else was shown the door at the right time. Do you think Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish simply settled on the players they had each season just because they were successful? No they changed things up every year to keep everyone challenged. They scoured for the right players that would push for opportunities in the first 11 in a day and age of one sub.

 

Its not so much the era I'm comparing but the winning mentality from the Club top to bottom. It currently starts with Jurgen when it should start with the board.

 

The Club was ran to win trophies first and foremost at all cost back then, not as a business.

[BeefStroganoff]

9 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

 

 

 

Who cares. What a waste of time he has been. I feel sorry for him. Must be a bit embarrassing for him.

[m0e]

1 hour ago, JagSquared said:

Slight nit pick but did we lose Fowler or did Ged prefer to have Owen and Heskey up front? 

Neither.

 

He kicked the ball at Thommo's head when Ged was in hospital, and got transferred not long after.

 

He also told Thommo to "put your toes on the table" as a response to Thommo's regular "put your medals on the table" to anyone who challenged his authority.

 

Thomma has a severe toe from his playing days, in case you didn't know the reference.

 

Can't remember which came first,  but that led to his transfer.

 

The point is, we lost a top player and strengthened a rival.

 

To complain about where we are today, specifically because we haven't bought anyone other than a 35 million centre half, is the real nit picking.

[Lee909]

Spurs fans going full petty insults to Harry Kane agent brother is definitely something worth getting behind. 

 

The fucker looks like a even dimmer mouth breathing version of Harry. 

 

 

[Harry Squatter]

15 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

 

 

 

A complete waste of time for everyone involved. Yet top reds on Twatter think Michael Edwards is the Messiah.

[JagSquared]

How much did we pay for Davies? He’ll be answer to a great pub quiz question in 20 years.

[JagSquared]

14 minutes ago, m0e said:

Neither.

 

He kicked the ball at Thommo's head when Ged was in hospital, and got transferred not long after.

 

He also told Thommo to "put your toes on the table" as a response to Thommo's regular "put your medals on the table" to anyone who challenged his authority.

 

Thomma has a severe toe from his playing days, in case you didn't know the reference.

 

Can't remember which came first,  but that led to his transfer.

 

The point is, we lost a top player and strengthened a rival.

 

To complain about where we are today, specifically because we haven't bought anyone other than a 35 million centre half, is the real nit picking.

Ah yes I forgot all about that. 

[Lee909]

17 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

A complete waste of time for everyone involved. Yet top reds on Twatter think Michael Edwards is the Messiah.

We paid 1.6ml. 

If Sheff Utd get promoted we have 1ml and he will get sold for far more next summer once teams start recovering from the finance hit. 

[TheSire]

34 minutes ago, m0e said:

Neither.

 

He kicked the ball at Thommo's head when Ged was in hospital, and got transferred not long after.

 

He also told Thommo to "put your toes on the table" as a response to Thommo's regular "put your medals on the table" to anyone who challenged his authority.

 

Thomma has a severe toe from his playing days, in case you didn't know the reference.

 

Can't remember which came first,  but that led to his transfer.

 

The point is, we lost a top player and strengthened a rival.

 

To complain about where we are today, specifically because we haven't bought anyone other than a 35 million centre half, is the real nit picking.

Fowler didn't say that. I think another reserve player said it but it wasn't Fowler.

[Mark M]

9 minutes ago, TheSire said:

Fowler didn't say that. I think another reserve player said it but it wasn't Fowler.

Yep. It wasn’t Fowler 

[m0e]

17 minutes ago, TheSire said:

Fowler didn't say that. I think another reserve player said it but it wasn't Fowler.

Yeah, I remember now, it was a story from Fowler's autobiography.

 

Wayne something.