Movie Franchise Tournament - Round 1 - Marvel vs Terminator

[JohnnyH 6,519]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

There have been 23 MCU films released thus far.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe

 

Not a single bad one among them, which is more than I can say for the six Terminator films.

That's your opinion.  For me the 3rd Thor movie was poor.  The second Ant Man was terrible. The 2nd Guardians wasn't up to much. And some movies were just 'fine' like The Hulk.  Again, in my opinion.  

 

But maybe Iron Man should be stand alone?  Or Captain America?  3 movies in each case.  23 movies is ridiculous to all be bundled in together.  

[Juniper 1,335]

29 minutes ago, Carvalho Diablo said:

Fucking Marvel? Ha, fuck off ya soft underpant cape wearing soft fucking gimps.

 

Typifies everything which is wrong about modern cinema and film making, bilious vomit inducing cynical money grabbing childish fucking shite.

 

Franchise. There's MuckDonalds and then there's Marvel. Fuck off.

Proper mans stuff is Terminator 

 

“Cause I’m a bloody bloke”

 

 

[Strontium Dog™ 8,561]

1 minute ago, JohnnyH said:

That's your opinion.  For me the 3rd Thor movie was poor.  The second Ant Man was terrible. The 2nd Guardians wasn't up to much. And some movies were just 'fine' like The Hulk.  Again, in my opinion.  

 

But maybe Iron Man should be stand alone?  Or Captain America?  3 movies in each case.  23 movies is ridiculous to all be bundled in together.  

 

Thor: Ragnarok? Really? 

 

It may be 23 movies, but it's one overarching saga, and the way all of those separate tales were pulled together was an absolute masterclass in storytelling. In fact I think the final third of Endgame may be my favourite hour of cinema ever.

 

I can understand people have different tastes, but the sheer snobbery of some in writing these films off as kids' movies just shows they really didn't understand them, because these Marvel movies have absolutely everything, including layer upon layer of subtext. And that they can say these things in contrast to the Terminator films, which really are just shallow popcorn flicks, is utterly risible.

[Carvalho Diablo 14,592]

Cat amongst the pigeons.

[mars 215]

Terminator - 2 great films.

Marvel - more than 2 great films. Plus one film that, as far as I'm aware, is unique: Endgame. Pretty bold to make a film that can't be fully appreciated unless you've seen the other 21 films. Also, Guardians of the Galaxy: can you imagine the pitch for this? There's this tree, who can speak, but it can only say, "I am Groot." And a talking raccoon. How was this a success? And Black Panther, which personally I don't rate but it won three Oscars and was nominated for best picture.

[SasaS 2,388]

Someone should be sent back in time to terminate Stan Lee and prevent Marvel. First they destroyed American comics, now they are doing it with the film industry.

[Bjornebye 25,714]

50 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I can understand people have different tastes, but the sheer snobbery of some in writing these films off as kids' movies just shows they really didn't understand them, because these Marvel movies have absolutely everything, including layer upon layer of subtext. And that they can say these things in contrast to the Terminator films, which really are just shallow popcorn flicks, is utterly risible.

 

 

 

 

 

[Tony Moanero 14,276]

32 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Someone should be sent back in time to terminate Stan Lee and prevent Marvel. First they destroyed American comics, now they are doing it with the film industry.

Stan Lee was ace, you bastard.

[SasaS 2,388]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Thor: Ragnarok? Really? 

 

It may be 23 movies, but it's one overarching saga, and the way all of those separate tales were pulled together was an absolute masterclass in storytelling. In fact I think the final third of Endgame may be my favourite hour of cinema ever.

 

I can understand people have different tastes, but the sheer snobbery of some in writing these films off as kids' movies just shows they really didn't understand them, because these Marvel movies have absolutely everything, including layer upon layer of subtext. And that they can say these things in contrast to the Terminator films, which really are just shallow popcorn flicks, is utterly risible.

I don't think it's snobbery, at least for me, I don't secretly enjoy them, or dismiss them to attain some cultural prestige. Also, for others, surely the same snobbery would kick in with Terminator films too?

[Strontium Dog™ 8,561]

2 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I don't think it's snobbery, at least for me, I don't secretly enjoy them, or dismiss them to attain some cultural prestige. Also, for others, surely the same snobbery would kick in with Terminator films too?

 

As I say, I don't have an issue if people have different tastes, if that was as far as it went. The MCU has its origins in comics though, which Terminator does not, and that is where the snobbery originates I think.

[cloggypop 11,086]

13 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

Stan Lee was ace, you bastard.

Bit of a gropy pervert like. 

[Tony Moanero 14,276]

8 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Bit of a gropy pervert like. 

 

I wasn’t aware of that. He had a fine moustache, though.

[Moo 695]

Two of the Terminator movies are widely considered amongst the best of all time, are any of the Marvel ones?

Quality over quantity any day.

[Bjornebye 25,714]

1 minute ago, Moo said:

Two of the Terminator movies are widely considered amongst the best of all time, are any of the Marvel ones?

Quality over quantity any day.

Yep. 

[Mudface 3,516]

9 minutes ago, Moo said:

Two of the Terminator movies are widely considered amongst the best of all time, are any of the Marvel ones?

Quality over quantity any day.

There's 6 Terminator films though, and half of them are pretty crap.

[Strontium Dog™ 8,561]

13 minutes ago, Moo said:

Two of the Terminator movies are widely considered amongst the best of all time, are any of the Marvel ones?

Quality over quantity any day.

 

Terminator 2 is in IMDB's top 250, as are Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame.

[Bjornebye 25,714]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Terminator 2 is in IMDB's top 250, as are Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame.

We aren't IMDB. I notice you didn't point out that T2 is ahead of both of them as well. 

[Moo 695]

6 minutes ago, Mudface said:

There's 6 Terminator films though, and half of them are pretty crap.

The point I'm making is 2 phenomenal and 4 bad-good ones are better than 23 bad-very good ones.

[Strontium Dog™ 8,561]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

We aren't IMDB. 

 

He asked which Marvel films are considered among the best of all-time. Not sure how else you're going to measure that other than by critical consensus.

[Moo 695]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Terminator 2 is in IMDB's top 250, as are Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame.

Recency bias.  I don't think any Marvel film so far will go down in history, with the likely exception of Black Panther because of what that represents.

[Bjornebye 25,714]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

He asked which Marvel films are considered among the best of all-time. Not sure how else you're going to measure that other than by critical consensus.

IMDB has got Snatch ahed of Return of the Jedi, Full Meta Jacket and Raging Bull. 

 

Why have you deleted the bit where I pointed out T2 is ahead of them both? 

[Strontium Dog™ 8,561]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Why have you deleted the bit where I pointed out T2 is ahead of them both? 

 

I haven't. You added that on after I quoted your post.

[Bjornebye 25,714]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I haven't. You added that on after I quoted your post.

Fair enough. Anyway, Terminator and T2 are better than any Marvel film. 

[Strontium Dog™ 8,561]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Fair enough. Anyway, Terminator and T2 are better than any Marvel film. 

 

You're entitled to your opinion.

[Bjornebye 25,714]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

You're entitled to your opinion.

Thanks.