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Giving up the booze

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3 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I remember nights out on the lash when nobody in the group didn’t spend the whole night looking at their phone. Those were the days. 

Fixed it for you. Well I'm old enough to remember it, cellphones hadn't been invented!

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12 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Yet again. Bed at a normal time. Wide awake from 3am. Grrrrrr this sobriety might not be for me. 

 

You have any spare socks lying round? I might have a solution to your insomnia.

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6 hours ago, The Midnight Rambler said:

I drink pretty much ever day. The standard day I’ll have a couple of gin n tonics, or a couple of margaritas then maybe I’ll get pissed Friday & Saturday. I’ve got zero responsibilities and I’m here for a good time not a longtime.

Booze doesn't kill you straight away, if you get a medical problem due to it, it can be a slow, painful demise over many years. Which would be no fun.

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Alcoholism is one of those shifting boundary things, nobody starts off wanting to be like that.

 

My dad never drank at home or drank spirits. As far as he was concerned that's what alcoholics did. At the end of his drinking he'd stuck to that but he would do 9 am to 11pm in the pub. 

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23 hours ago, A Red said:

For the last 7 years I've worked an average of 16 hours a week and going forward I'll barely do half that.

Bout where I am at - nose to the grindstone an all dat.

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I barely drank at home until last year. Never really enjoyed it because i love the social aspect of going for a few pints. Hard not to slip into the routine of drinking most nights now, especially if we're playing midweek to just try and make something of an evening. The routine of working at home and having nothing else to do is hard for that.

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Got through the weekend without a drink so that’s a personal best. Saturday night was hard as we normally have a take away and a few beers with motd. Not quite the same with lemonade. 

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59 minutes ago, RobbieOR said:

I barely drank at home until last year. Never really enjoyed it because i love the social aspect of going for a few pints. Hard not to slip into the routine of drinking most nights now, especially if we're playing midweek to just try and make something of an evening. The routine of working at home and having nothing else to do is hard for that.

Yeah its so boring. Without work getting pissed breaks the week up somewhat 

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12 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Got through the weekend without a drink so that’s a personal best. Saturday night was hard as we normally have a take away and a few beers with motd. Not quite the same with lemonade. 

I find it is trigger points, take away means a few beers. Once past that it becomes easier.

 

On a Friday the wife and daughter have home made pizza, I do myself a very spicy chilli con carne, normally finishes prep and put on a low simmer at 4 pm, then would crack my first beer. Coming to 6 when we all eat together I would have another couple quickly during the meal. This means I would have had 6-8 cans by the time we had finished, would then be in the mood and spend test of night drinking.

 

Now, no beer at 4 and if I have nothing with the meal, then don't feel like any afterwards, too full.

 

 

I am an all or nothing drinker, can go weeks without, despite thinking about it most days, but once I start will happily drink 12 cans or a couple of bottles of wine. I find controlling, passing the trigger points is key.

 

 

Currently not drunk anything since Sunday 03rd January, not that I am counting.

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14 hours ago, RobbieOR said:

I barely drank at home until last year. Never really enjoyed it because i love the social aspect of going for a few pints. Hard not to slip into the routine of drinking most nights now, especially if we're playing midweek to just try and make something of an evening. The routine of working at home and having nothing else to do is hard for that.

I can totally relate to that. I got to the stage where i was buying a litre of absolut on the Friday and it would be gone by the end of Saturday night. Half a litre a night, over two nights is the epitome of binge drinking. Not every week, but not far from it. Decided i wasn't even enjoying any aspect of it at all and jibbed it completely off at the end of November.  Haven't even thought about having a drink since - even got through Christmas unscathed, but the consequence of which is that i'm now addicted to Aldi's finest fresh orange juice and Pepsi Max. Not together, that would just be weird...

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On 09/01/2021 at 19:03, Rico1304 said:

I think one of the problems in the U.K. is that booze is seen as a legitimate way to relax. Rough day at work - have a glass of wine when you get home. 
Kids playing up - have beer when they’ve gone to bed

Done something good - have drink to celebrate 

Done something bad - have a drink to commiserate

 

 

Absolutely right.

 

We do anything to change our emotions - booze, porn, gambling, over eating, sugar......

 

The real solution however is to learn to recognize your emotions, accept them, and sit with them. Feeling depressed? That's ok. Tell someone about it. It's ok to be depressed, or sad, or a bit glum. The answer is not to avoid it though - tackle your problems, find out why you are stressed, and sit with the feelings or practice meditation because they will pass.

 

Folks who use booze etc to avoid their uncomfortable emotions are on a slippery slope.

 

My struggle is with porn, but I was a serial Friday night drinker because I felt I deserved to get pissed at the end of a week of work. Problem was the hangover usually impacted my weekend. Giving up that Friday night session has been great for me.

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On 09/01/2021 at 14:55, Section_31 said:

Good work. 

 

I couldn't drink every day to be honest, I like a beer and a bourbon now and then but usually one or two at the weekend. I don't really enjoy it enough to do more often, could never do daytime drinking, I've seen people on holiday having wine with their breakfast, astonishing stuff.

 

It was shloer !!!

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On 09/01/2021 at 14:57, Bruce Spanner said:

I probably drink more than most on here, I also probably exercise more and have a diet which is as healthy as the best eaters on here. It’s all about balance.

 

I love alcohol and enjoy it, but am hyper aware that others can’t have this, so I get it that the enjoyment disappears and that’s an issue. I only drink fri-sun though and rarely break from that.

 

Dry January can fuck off though, the most depressing month of the year and you choose to limit your enjoyment, fuck that, I drink double.

I don't think you can run off Liver failure.

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5 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

I don't think you can run off Liver failure.

 

Why would I need to, even with my intake I'm nowhere near 'risk'?

 

If you're saying I might be, never say never, but I doubt it.'

 

 

Alcoholic liver disease is more likely to develop if people

  • Drink large amounts of alcohol

  • Have been drinking a long time (usually, for more than 8 years)

  • Are women

  • Have a genetic makeup that makes them susceptible to alcoholic liver disease

  • Are obese

Alcohol consumption

People can understand their risk of alcoholic liver disease more precisely if they know how much alcohol they are drinking. To determine how much they are drinking, they need to know the alcohol content of alcoholic beverages. Different types of beverages contain different percentages of alcohol.

  • Beers: 2 to 7% in most

  • Wines: 10 to 15% in most

  • Hard liquors: 40 to 45% in most

However, in typical servings of these different types of beverages, the amount of alcohol is similar even though the amount of liquid is very different:

  • A 12-ounce can of beer: About 1/7 to 4/5 ounce

  • A 5-ounce glass of wine: About 2/3 to 1 ounce

  • A 1 1/2-ounce shot (or typical mixed drink) of hard liquor: About 1/2 ounce

In hard liquor, the alcohol concentration is often described as proof. The proof is about twice the percentage of alcohol. For example, an 80-proof hard liquor contains 40% alcohol.

For men, risk increases if they drink more than about 1 1/2 ounces of alcohol a day (especially if they drink more than about 3 ounces) for more than 10 years. Consuming 1 1/2 ounces a day involves drinking about 3 cans of beer, 3 glasses of wine, or 3 shots of hard liquor. For cirrhosis to develop, men usually must drink more than about 3 ounces of alcohol a day for more than 10 years. Consuming 3 ounces a day involves drinking 6 cans of beer, 5 glasses of wine, or 6 shots of liquor. About half the men who drink more than 8 ounces of alcohol a day for 20 years develop cirrhosis.

Generally, the more and the longer people drink, the greater their risk of alcoholic liver disease. However, liver disease does not develop in every person who drinks heavily for a long time. Thus, other factors are involved.

Sex

Women are more vulnerable to liver damage by alcohol, even after adjustments are made for smaller body size. Women are at risk of liver damage if they drink about half as much alcohol as men. That is, drinking more than 3/4 to 1 1/2 ounces of alcohol a day puts women at risk. Risk may be increased in women because their digestive system may be less able to process alcohol, thus increasing the amount of alcohol reaching the liver.

Genetic makeup

Genetic makeup is thought to be involved because alcoholic liver disease often runs in families. Family members may share genes that make them less able to process alcohol.

Obesity

Obesity makes people more vulnerable to liver damage by alcohol.

Other factors

Accumulation of iron in the liver and hepatitis C also increase the risk of liver damage by alcohol.

Iron may accumulate when people have hemochromatosis (a hereditary disorder that results in absorption of too much iron) or when they drink fortified wines that contain iron. However, iron accumulation is not necessarily related to how much iron is consumed.

More than 25% of heavy drinkers also have hepatitis C, and the combination of heavy drinking and hepatitis C greatly increases the risk of cirrhosis.

If iron has accumulated in the liver or if people have had hepatitis C for more than 6 months, the risk of liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma) is increased.

 

I meet none of this criteria.

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On ‎09‎/‎01‎/‎2021 at 18:38, Tony Moanero said:

I used to drink ten to fifteen pints a day, sometimes more. I miss pubs, you can’t beat a good one, and still crave real ale from time to time. I wouldn’t touch alcohol again, though. It had me by the balls and everything revolved around it. The downside of giving up is that I now suffer from panic and anxiety like never before.

My man, I don't know if I ever apologized for bringing up your alcohol abuse in an argument a couple years ago. I still feel bad about that, so I'd like to apologize now.

 

Anyway, I'll never understand alcoholism, I don't know how it gets to such a point. Some of the stuff in this thread... wow. I can barely drink three pints on a full night out.

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6 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

I don't think you can run off Liver failure.

But if you wreck your liver sufficiently then it won't produce those nasty aldehydes- so no hangover.

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