Brighton (A) - Premier League - 28/11/20 - 12:30

[an tha 5,770]

It would be an absolutely staggering achievement to win the title with our injury problems/the schedule.

 

The team we put out today in the cold light of day is nowhere near a title winning one....you wouldn't fancy it to finish top 6 if it was our team every week.

 

Now of course it won't look like that every week.

 

Trent, Thiago, Henderson for starters will all come back into the starting line up.

 

But the centre half situation is really troubling - two have your two first choice centre halves both out for the season is shockingly bad luck and i just can't see how any team could cope and win a title with it....especially given all they have left is a very unreliable centre half fitness wise, a converted midfielder and kids.

 

It has to hurt us and it will.

 

Phillips, Rhys Williams and Neco Williams shouldn't be anywhere near our starting line up - that isn't a knock on them, they may develop and become good players, but they are in because we have an injury crisis and they are not at the level of playing for a title challenging side.

 

11th different pairing today at centre half....that is insane...may be a record.

 

We've also lost the scoring of about 5 goals off corners over season from big Virgil being out.

 

The midfield that started today was desperate....Thiago injured, Hendo only on bench, Fabinho having to play at centre half - leaving us having to play a 34 year old Milner for 3rd time in a week including one of those games playing bombing up and down at RB, and look how his afternoon ended....Wijnaldum playing about his 20th game in last month and looking like it, and a toss up between Minamino and Jones - neither of who would be anywhere near our midfield in our best XI.

 

As a result we failed to win enough ball in 1st half, failed to retain it and link play enough when did have it and failed to put enough pressure on ball to stop balls over top that they kept playing in behind us.

 

It improved when Hendo came on of course...which is whole point!

 

With Trent out we lose all our attaking width down one side and as seen in midweek we lose it down both sides when both out.

 

Now of course we won't have all these players injured all season but list seems to be getting longer each week and we are walking a tightrope - can we hang in until it improves and can we add in Jan are the big questions for me.

 

We do know we have a great spirit and mentallity and winners in team and a winner in charge of us - but with the way the cards have fallen for us it is going to take a super human effort to retain this title.

 

Can we do it? Yeah...Will we? - i wouldn't bet on it personally, it just feels like the injuries and the schedule will continue to fuck us...

 

Of course it is still early in season and loads of footy to be played and other teams surely will suffer too and we are at worst what 2 pts off top by end of this weekend...which is fuck all - it is not as if we are floundering in mid table....but i just find it hard to believe that our centre half and midfield situation isn't gonna undo us in the end.

 

Oh and VAR can go and fuck itself.

 

 

[Baltar 799]

Nameless, faceless fucks sat in a room being paid by Abu Dhabi to make decisions against us with impunity. No need to justify any decisions these corrupt cunts make. It's a farce.

[an tha 5,770]

23 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Don't see Spurs winning it, they get shafted by VAR as much as we do. Someone else will be helped to the title.

The fucking mancs - rats.

[Sugar Ape 13,318]

 

[Butch 850]

What's the point of game changing subs when trying to rest players. Get the strongest players "available" on in the first half then if we're ahead then rest them in the second half. Terrible game today and nobody seemed to be up for it. 

 

[Creator Supreme 1,038]

Oh well, ultimately got as much as we deserved for a poor performance, if we play better and score more then these VAR cock ups won't affect as much! Take the point and move on!

[MegadriveMan 740]

8 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

Defo an agenda against Liverpool, made by faceless cunts in a tv room. 

 

Fucking sick of it now.

The last thing they want is us running away with it again. Need to even it up somehow?

[rubble-rouser 2,157]

Well Kelly was obviously deliberately missing the point there several times. Horrible cunt.

[AngryofTuebrook 17,817]

12 minutes ago, Baltar said:

Names, faceless fucks sat in a room being paid by Abu Dhabi to make decisions against us with impunity. No need to justify any decisions these corrupt cunts make. It's a farce.

It's not an anti-Liverpool conspiracy. 

 

As if the incompetent nobheads could organise a conspiracy if they wanted to.

[John102 491]

Id be surprised if there is some sort of conspiracy. Every team seem to think it.

 

More likely just shit people making important decisions and getting them wrong, at every level.

[Ronnie Whelan 778]

We have had the toughest start of any team. We are top. 

 

We have had a lot of injuries but now we have Trent, Hendo and hopefully Thiago back.

 

The injuries are adding up but other teams will get them.

 

Regarding the CL, we should qualify regardless so the priority has to be the league.

 

I make us slight favourites, but only for bad luck and bad refereeing we would be strong favourites.

[John102 491]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

It's not an anti-Liverpool conspiracy. 

 

As if the incompetent nobheads could organise a conspiracy if they wanted to.

This

[Simbo 113]

29 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Here y'go.

 

An attacker in control of the ball and shielding the ball gets kicked by a  defender.  That's a penalty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfEFF6oi184

 

Today we had a loose ball and an attacker and defender both going for it with their feet at a safe height; the attacker gets the ball first and the defender catches the attackers foot.  That's never a foul in a contact sport.

I dunno......personally think it’s a definite penalty and one we’d be sickened not to get at the other end. Although Welbeck wasn’t in control of the ball he still got there first and Robbo has swung his foot a split second too late and kicked his foot. 

[dockers_strike 1,910]

Having Phillips, Rhys Williams with Matip and Fabinho playing CB isnt going to stop us retaining the title. We could have had Virgil and Joe out today and possibly the whole game against everton and it wouldnt have changed the shit decisions we've had from VAR.

 

We've had 4 points taken off us for frankly diabolical decisions. Ive no problem with the pen Neco gave away, that's clear and obvious. Until I see it again, Im of the opinion Mo was onside for his. Sadio's I didnt see the replay but by all accounts that was clear.

 

But fuck me, giving a pen for that where two players boot's make contact with each other? Fuc-k-ing joke and I look forward to us being awarded a shitful of pens for the rest of the season for similar challenges on our players.

 

Makes that challenge on Naby against Leicester 2 seasons ago even more laughable for not being given when you see that absolute shitfest today.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA 7,831]

10 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

Oh well, ultimately got as much as we deserved for a poor performance, if we play better and score more then these VAR cock ups won't affect as much! Take the point and move on!

So we should just score more and get on with it. Bollocks even for you fella.

[Jairzinho 22,707]

What a snivelling little cunt Des Kelly is.

[rubble-rouser 2,157]

2 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Having Phillips, Rhys Williams with Matip and Fabinho playing CB isnt going to stop us retaining the title. We could have had Virgil and Joe out today and possibly the whole game against everton and it wouldnt have changed the shit decisions we've had from VAR.

 

We've had 4 points taken off us for frankly diabolical decisions. Ive no problem with the pen Neco gave away, that's clear and obvious. Until I see it again, Im of the opinion Mo was onside for his. Sadio's I didnt see the replay but by all accounts that was clear.

 

But fuck me, giving a pen for that where two players boot's make contact with each other? Fuc-k-ing joke and I look forward to us being awarded a shitful of pens for the rest of the season for similar challenges on our players.

 

Makes that challenge on Naby against Leicester 2 seasons ago even more laughable for not being given when you see that absolute shitfest today.

The lack of Van Dijk directly led to two goals from crosses against Everton 

[Supremolad 106]

18 minutes ago, A_S said:

Nobody will convince me that they know the precise moment the ball leaves the boot. As such, they can't then base an entire decision on such a flimsy piece of evidence. It is by far and away the worst element of VAR in its current diabolical form. 

In the Champions league, they never measure offside to the tiniest micrometre with VAR. They usually have benefit of doubt decisions go the way of the striker. 

 

But the world's bestest league love to do things differently, don't they?

[aws 6,624]

Kicking an opponent is only a foul if the ref thinks it's careless, reckless or with excessive force. Presumably the VAR ref thought it was careless but how can you say it was a clear and obvious error that the match ref didn't think so at the time. 

[dockers_strike 1,910]

2 minutes ago, rubble-rouser said:

The lack of Van Dijk directly led to two goals from crosses against Everton 

You dont know whether we'd not have conceeded those goals with Virgil. My point being VAR scrubbed off Hendos winner.

[_______________ 2,741]

Here is the full transcript of the Liverpool manager's interview with Kelly.

 

Des Kelly: “James Milner, hamstring, is it? 

Klopp: “Yeah. Congratulations. 

 

DK: “Not me, personally? 

JK: “No, but you work for them. Hamstring, surprise, and they had injuries as well. But ask Chris Wilder how we can avoid that.

 

DK: “Maybe you’re firing at the wrong target. We are broadcasters, we abide with the Premier League rules and the Premier League makes the rules. Shouldn’t you be talking to the Premier League? 

JK: “I don’t know how often I have to say it, but you picked the 12:30 kick-off, not you personally, but you did it! Us on 12:30, between now and New Year, there’s one more Wednesday and then Saturday 12:30. 

 

DK: “But you’re saying we picked the 12:30, it’s a Premier League slot. 

JK: “I’ve told you now a couple of times, these are difficult times. 

 

DK: “I know they’re difficult times - the stadium is empty! Of course it is. The broadcasters are supporting the game. 

JK: “Yeah, if we play at 5:30, or 3pm, it’s exactly the same. 

 

DK: “That has different ramifications. Your chief executive should be with other chief executives to discuss this. If you come down here and just have a go at the broadcasters, it’s not gonna change anything. 

JK: “I’m just saying it how it is. 

 

DK: “You’re saying it’s criminal. 

JK: “Yeah. After Wednesday, Saturday 12:30 is really, really dangerous for the players. You don’t do that often.

 

DK: “Who’s to say the broadcasters don’t care and that’s the problem? That isn’t the problem. 

JK: “Why did you pick us against Crystal Palace then, if you care? 

 

DK: “I didn’t pick it, but every pick is picked by the Premier League. 

JK: “It’s such a special season, we agreed in another time. Yes, we did. 

 

DK: “No, no, no. If it’s all about player welfare, then why did the Premier League clubs lock the five substitutes?

JK: “That’s very interesting, but when we had the talk between the managers a week ago now, I think, it was 15-5, maybe 16-4, for five subs now. Since then, nothing happened because you need 14 votes because Chris Wilder says constantly I’m selfish, so I think all of the things he’s said shows that he’s selfish but it’s not too important. I was in a similar position than he is when I was at Mainz when it was all about staying in the league. If you can’t do five subs, for example, if we had five subs today, I take off Robbo and bring Kostas on to save Robbo, not to make our game better, just to save him and that’s the situation. It’s not about changing tactics, or the system, all this kind of thing, it’s not like this. It’s just to save the players. From now on, we will see what happens.

 

DK: “We agree with you and I understand what you’re saying, but you’re actually going about it in a strange way. You’re attacking the broadcasters, instead of getting the support you need in the Premier League meeting. 

JK: “I only go for broadcasters with a Wednesday and 12:30 and seven managers have a similar problem and they all agree. I wanto to stop doing it because it doesn’t help, but the problem is whoever signs the contract. Yes, our shareholders or whatever did that, that’s true. It’s a problem but in this season, it’s a bigger problem because of no pre-season, because of intensity and all this kind of stuff. It’s not okay. We’ve had this slot three times, I spoke a lot about it. Look at who else had it three times - nobody. It’s a problem for me to pick a team. 

 

DK: “We can’t change it, but you have to change it via the boardroom we’ve spoken about. But we could probably go on forever.”

 

[Kepler-186 0]

Seething to put it mildly. Going to be massively attritional season and but for a highly controversial decision at the end, we’d have found a way to win. 

[rubble-rouser 2,157]

Just now, aws said:

Kicking an opponent is only a foul if the ref thinks it's careless, reckless or with excessive force. Presumably the VAR ref thought it was careless but how can you say it was a clear and obvious error that the match ref didn't think so at the time. 

Spot on. His judgment at something he saw clearly has to all intents and purposes been overruled. A coming together where both players go for the ball and neither gets it isn’t a foul.

[rubble-rouser 2,157]

1 minute ago, dockers_strike said:

You dont know whether we'd not have conceeded those goals with Virgil. My point being VAR scrubbed off Hendos winner.

Yes it did, but yes, I do know we don’t concede two headers to that shite with Virgil on the pitch 

[3 Stacks 2,334]

5 minutes ago, rubble-rouser said:

The lack of Van Dijk directly led to two goals from crosses against Everton 

We've been better at the back since his injury. The problem is we're running out of bodies.