Greatest Male Solo Artist - FINAL - David Bowie vs Bob Dylan

[easytoslip]

9 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

Do you mean Mick Ronson? Yeah he had a big input on Transformer. Less so on Mott's (although he later actually joined them, and it ended badly).

 

Ronson worked with Dylan as well, he was part of the Rolling Thunder Revue band. 

Yes Mick of course, I read he was involved with quite a few artists. 

[johnsusername]

Just now, easytoslip said:

Yes Mick of course, I read he was involved with quite artists. 

I love the fact that he was working for Hull City Council as a Parks keeper when he joined Bowie's band. It's quite the career change. 

[johnsusername]

5 minutes ago, Mook said:

Fucking Hell, stick on MTV for 20 minutes, every second song/video is a Michael Jackson rip off.

 

I'm not saying any of it is good or bad but the evidence is all there. His cultural impact is absolutely massive.

He certainly touched a lot of children. People, I meant people.

[easytoslip]

Just now, johnsusername said:

I love the fact that he was working for Hull City Council as a Parks keeper when he joined Bowie's band. It's quite the career change. 

Haha yeah, I do like that early Bowie stuff. 

[Red_or_Dead]

Bowie, every day of the week. 

[TheHowieLama]

29 minutes ago, Mook said:

Fucking Hell, stick on MTV for 20 minutes, every second song/video is a Michael Jackson rip off.

 

I'm not saying any of it is good or bad but the evidence is all there. His cultural impact is absolutely massive.

No man - maybe 35 years ago but there are not fellas walking around with one glove now.

Rappers today are far more culturally important than he was then. Plus he was never the greatest mouthpiece for culture imho.

[Mook]

13 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

No man - maybe 35 years ago but there are not fellas walking around with one glove now.

Rappers today are far more culturally important than he was then. Plus he was never the greatest mouthpiece for culture imho.

Usher, Beyonce, Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake, Drake, Rihanna, Alicia Keys, R Kelly, The Weekend, Kanye West, Jason Derulo, all of them and loads more have done stuff that is practically homage to Michael Jackson.

 

I can't really be arsed getting into a debate about it because it's so ridiculous, if you can't see the impact he's had on popular culture then I can't really help you.

[Remmie]

MJ changed the way people performed, is the reference point for pretty much all music videos not to mention his effect on the likes of Bollywood. He was the last megastar in music in my opinion, he was absolutely massive. I'm not even an MJ fan but his cultural impact was beyond colossal. 

 

The likes of Eminem, Kendrick Lamar and Drake combined are miniscule in comparison. 

[Remmie]

Anyway back on topic Bowie for me please 

[Bruce Spanner]

[cloggypop]

Michael Jackson was a massive influence on that wanker Stedman out of 5 Star. 

[TheHowieLama]

That is all understood, and he copped every performance move from folks that we know, and did it well - I don't think in the next 10 or 20 years people will be standing with their fists in the air singing "Your butt is mine."

We can hope though.

[John102]

11 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

That is all understood, and he copped every performance move from folks that we know, and did it well - I don't think in the next 10 or 20 years people will be standing with their fists in the air singing "Your butt is mine."

We can hope though.

Thriller is nearly 40 years old. Off the Wall is over 40 years old. I think it's fair to say people will still be listening to both is 20 years. It's hardly like Jackson is some recent artist. 

 

Not that it matters much, however, a quick look on Spotify shows Jackson is 70ish most popular artist in the world, whilst Bowie and Dylan are about 250 and 500 respectively. 

 

I think more people will be singing Jackson in 20 years, than either of those. Whatever that shows is up for debate. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Bowie.

 

By the road of a coin. 

[Mook]

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

It took a while, but I think I've decided it has to be Dylan.

 

For all the usual "don't like his voice" stuff, it's hard to imagine anyone else writing lyrics like this and having the perfect voice to deliver them in.  It's not pretty, but it's not meant to be.

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

3 hours ago, johnsusername said:

Bowie, for these reasons.... a catalogue of albums matched only by the Beatles, Led Zep and the Stones. 

Matching the Beatles? Put that glue down. I could tell you about five Bowie songs and about ten times many Beatles without owning any records by either. You like Bowie so fair enough but he's nowhere near the Beatles as an artist but maybe challenges them as individual artists.

[SasaS]

2 hours ago, Mook said:

Fucking Hell, stick on MTV for 20 minutes, every second song/video is a Michael Jackson rip off.

 

I'm not saying any of it is good or bad but the evidence is all there. His cultural impact is absolutely massive.

What, there was no shit music before Michael Jackson?

[johnsusername]

8 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Matching the Beatles? Put that glue down. I could tell you about five Bowie songs and about ten times many Beatles without owning any records by either. You like Bowie so fair enough but he's nowhere near the Beatles as an artist but maybe challenges them as individual artists.

I love the Beatles they're my favourite band easily. I live a two minute walk from Forthlin Road and a ten minute walk from Menlove. The point I was trying to get across was Bowie is top tier - alongside Dylan, Led Zep, Stones. Bands and artists who have proven themselves over many years and many albums. 

 

The Beatles are above that, in their own league, I guess. 

[Mook]

9 minutes ago, SasaS said:

What, there was no shit music before Michael Jackson?

The Velvet Underground came before Michael Jackson.

[Strontium]

3 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I’ve gone for Bowie. I think Dylan has undermined his legacy by the dreadful  live performances of the last 20 years. I stopped going becuase it was so awful to see him murdering the classics. 

 

I reckon he probably gives a better live performance than Bowie these days.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Tough to separate these two. But, Dylan edges it for superior songwriting for both himself and others. And for having a dedicated Christmas album. 

[johnsusername]

[Jose Jones]

13 minutes ago, Mook said:

The Velvet Underground came before Michael Jackson.

The Velvet Underground were boss Mook you nincompoop.  Even the songs with Nico on them.

[johnsusername]

11 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I reckon he probably gives a better live performance than Bowie these days.

Arguable. The tribute acts who play outside Dylan concerts get more applause than Bob does.