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35 minutes ago, _______________ said:

On what we have seen and what has been put forward so far, all Trump and his acolytes have put forward is thin air. Many of them claim as 'fact' that the election was stolen, when they don't have facts or evidence to back their claims up. The same people that claim the other side have no facts to accuse Trump, very strange. 

 

I don't have any time for either side, fucking politicians. But when I see some of the banners and t-shirts of some of the Trump supporters then you have to shift uncomfortably in your chair. These are not nice people, these are not people that welcome democracy. I am not saying that all Trump voters are vile racists but he does attract their vote. 

 

Trump is a bullshit artist.  Not a leg to stand on in this "stolen" thing.

Some of these Trump supporters are indeed not nice people.

But what shits me most about this situation, is that it has turned one side of politics - self-serving party politicians, elitist, careerist powerbrokers, opportunists, supporters of foreign wars and American's illegitimate position as the "world police", quite simply, not nice people themselves - into sudden bipartisan guardians of the peace and moral rectitude.

It's just bullshit and an utter swindle.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, M_B said:

Edit: Added the 4th option

 

4 options (apparently - never trust what you read)

 

1: If he isn't impeached, then he's clear to do what he likes.

 

2: If he is impeached, he cannot run in 2024, and he loses all the benefits of being an ex president.

 

3: If the trial remains pending indefinitely, then he also cannot run in 2024.

 

4: The senate does not impeach him, but holds a second vote to disqualify the president from holding office in the future. Only a simple majority is needed for that - and with the senate now being Dem controlled, this is a likely outcome.

 

My money is on number 3 or 4.

 

3.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Red Shift said:

Anomalies in Vote Counts and Their Effects on Election 2020

A Quantitative Analysis of Decisive Vote Updates in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Georgia on and after Election Night

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Executive Summary

In the early hours of November 4th, 2020, Democratic candidate Joe Biden received several major “vote spikes” that substantially — and decisively — improved his electoral position in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Georgia. Much skepticism and uncertainty surrounds these “vote spikes.” Critics point to suspicious vote counting practices, extreme differences between the two major candidates’ vote counts, and the timing of the vote updates, among other factors, to cast doubt on the legitimacy of some of these spikes. While data analysis cannot on its own demonstrate fraud or systemic issues, it can point us to statistically anomalous cases that invite further scrutiny. 

This is one such case: Our analysis finds that a few key vote updates in competitive states were unusually large in size and had an unusually high Biden-to-Trump ratio. We demonstrate the results differ enough from expected results to be cause for concern.”


https://votepatternanalysis.substack.com/p/voting-anomalies-2020?fbclid=IwAR3rO9CRr6zM7ug3k1YrhTYNjQvwmLz0pRT0fa2H0WGVaNb3SH1FlNFbqMY

Imagine you have a pack of smarties in your hand, you and your mate decide to guess which colour there are more off, you choose orange and your mate takes blue. You pour them out and orange has 4 of the first 5, you are flying ahead but unfortunately for you when all smarties are counted there where more blue. Outraged that the last 4 smarties were blue you demand a recount. In the smarties go to the tube, you pour them out and blue wins again. You repeat this process several times in the company of 6 different mates and the same result keeps coming up,  eventually you find somebody on the Internet that agrees to analyse the data. The internet expert agrees you with and starts raising money from other Internet experts so they can contact Nestle to demand a new tube with more orange smarties. Nestle tell them to fuck off. 

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29 minutes ago, M_B said:

4 options (apparently - never trust what you read)

Actually the options barring him from office are not clear. Some articles say he must be impeached and then a second vote must pass, some say impeachment is sufficient, and some say the second vote can take place even if the impeachment fails.

 

I guess we'll see.

 

This article explains things better than me. It seems the vagueness surrounding outcomes is because it is uncharted territory.

 

Reuters

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3 minutes ago, M_B said:

Actually the options barring him from office are not clear. Some articles say he must be impeached and then a second vote must pass, some say impeachment is sufficient, and some say the second vote can take place even if the impeachment fails.

 

I guess we'll see.

Yeah, it's a bit murky. Originally, I thought they could vote to bar from public office first (simple majority), then move onto the 'full' conviction (2/3rds majority). It looks like it might be the other way round though, if the full conviction fails, then that's it.

 

One simple way for the Republicans to wimp out would simply be for half their senators not to attend the vote- the 2/3rds majority is only based on the number voting at the time.  

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6 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Nah, he might go under financially though. Again.

He will just release a colouring book for his minions and be a multi millionaire overnight 

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2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

He will just release a colouring book for his minions and be a multi millionaire overnight 

Felt tip sniffing morons.

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11 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

He will just release a colouring book for his minions and be a multi millionaire overnight 

 

You do realise the minions might be more of an issue than the colouring book author?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, skaro said:

 

You do realise the minions might be more of an issue than the colouring book author?

 

 

Yes I am very much aware of that thanks but we were talking about the man himself. 

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12 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Yes I am very much aware of that thanks but we were talking about the man himself. 

 

Do you think he'll go to jail for last week's thing?

Or for not paying property development debts to Atlantic City casino builders years ago?

Or for organising Russian interference in the election before last?

Will these cases against him suddenly become stronger, because he's not President, or because the Dems want it?

Because unfortunately, he probably won't go to jail just for being a megalomaniacal cunt, who's quite probably mentally suspect.

 

Personally, just being rid of him, not necessarily jailed, would be enough for me.

That, and seeing this "Great America" he's fucked up restore itself to its former splendour, even-handedness and glory.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, skaro said:

 

Do you think he'll go to jail for last week's thing?

Or for not paying property development debts to Atlantic City casino builders years ago?

Or for organising Russian interference in the election before last?

Will these cases against him suddenly become stronger, because he's not President, or because the Dems want it?

Because unfortunately, he probably won't go to jail just for being a megalomaniacal cunt, who's quite probably mentally suspect.

 

Personally, just being rid of him, not necessarily jailed, would be enough for me.

That, and seeing this "Great America" he's fucked up restore itself to its former splendour, even-handedness and glory.

 

 

I'd like to see him slowly lowered head first into acid 

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8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I'd like to see him slowly lowered head first into acid 

 

I'll have a word to Delaware Joe, see what can be done.

There's a vat at Guantanamo that hasn't been de-commissioned.

 

And I think there's still some popcorn left over from the Bin Laden execution closed circuit live broadcast.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Red Shift said:

It was thrown out because nobody knew how to refute it.

 

More data here

 

This particular group of data experts gave evidence in Georgia, but the court wasn’t equipped to look at what it meant. They put it in the too hard basket and called it ‘human error’.

Who is this particular group of data experts?  Are you referring to the Data Integrity Group?  What are their credentials?

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3 hours ago, Rick Sanchez C-137 said:

It's absolutely hilarious that almost everyone caught in the aftermath was caught because they were all so excited "storming the capitol" that they recorded it in high definition from multiple angles and post the videos on social media.

 

They felt invincible because they thought Donny boy had their back. Guess what, you're a fucking pawn and he would feed your body alive into a woodchipper if it got him an extra minute in power.

An Olympic gold medallist has been arrested. The idiot was wearing his team jacket! 

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/olympic-gold-medalist-swimmer-klete-keller-charged-role/story?id=75223549

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1 hour ago, Moo said:

Who is this particular group of data experts?  Are you referring to the Data Integrity Group?  What are their credentials?

It turns out that these fearless warriors for truth, justice & apple pie are:

 

The “Voter Integrity Fund” is run by government employees and former Trump campaign staffers who are analyzing voter data in six key states, according to founder Matt Braynard, who worked for the Trump campaign’s data team in 2016.

 

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/voter-integrity-fund-pennsylvania-georgia-wisconsin-trump-2020-20201113.html

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12 hours ago, skaro said:

 

In which case, I guess he won't give a rat's arse about being impeached twice either.  

Just another "injustice" to peddle to the Viking Hat/Loin Cloth/MILF General Practitioner/Suicidal Bank Manager/Testis-self-tasering brigade.

 

 

 

Yeah, I don't think he'll be that arsed, the only thing is I would guess he'd prefer to have the choice of running himself ideally, but the aim of the game for him is to hold his base together.

 

That's the interesting think I think with this impeachment stuff. Previously when the GOP were backed into a corner to support trump, like it or not they knew they had to back him because for the last 5 years it's effectively been the trump party and anybody attacking a sitting president would be cast out. Now I reckon there are plenty within the GOP who find trump abhorrent and want to get their party back. Then there'll be chancers like Cruz who also thinks Trump is abhorrent but he's decided the base Trump has is worth the humiliation of being a trump lackey for his personal political gain. And there'll be republicans who just think trump is great. Their party is at a real crossroads and I think what GOP support we see in the impeachment trial for a guilty result will give us an idea of where they're going to end up. As it shows in the sentiment post from @Anubis above trump still has amazing support even from more moderate republicans and independents all things considered. I think it leaves trump in complete control of the republican party and it'll be interesting to see what the moderates/Lincoln lot do about it. 

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18 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Yeah, I don't think he'll be that arsed, the only thing is I would guess he'd prefer to have the choice of running himself ideally, but the aim of the game for him is to hold his base together.

 

That's the interesting think I think with this impeachment stuff. Previously when the GOP were backed into a corner to support trump, like it or not they knew they had to back him because for the last 5 years it's effectively been the trump party and anybody attacking a sitting president would be cast out. Now I reckon there are plenty within the GOP who find trump abhorrent and want to get their party back. Then there'll be chancers like Cruz who also thinks Trump is abhorrent but he's decided the base Trump has is worth the humiliation of being a trump lackey for his personal political gain. And there'll be republicans who just think trump is great. Their party is at a real crossroads and I think what GOP support we see in the impeachment trial for a guilty result will give us an idea of where they're going to end up. As it shows in the sentiment post from @Anubis above trump still has amazing support even from more moderate republicans and independents all things considered. I think it leaves trump in complete control of the republican party and it'll be interesting to see what the moderates/Lincoln lot do about it. 

 

I think the "have you stopped beating your wife" problem for the GOP is that they, equally with the Dems, were the swamp Trump was supposedly draining.

 

The thing is, Trump has now created a new Swamp that the GOP has to itself.

 

Jump back into the old swamp with the Dems and take your chances, or somehow find a way to stay afloat in the new one that's all their own?

 

This is generally unchartered territory for rightist parties born to rule.

 

One way or the other, this intellectually ineffectual bridge and tunnel guy - "perhaps bleach might be the answer to covid" - has had a pretty remarkable run.

 

Then again, Hitler, Stalin and Pot were fairly unlikely lads.

 

PS. And yes, the independent/moderate support was a real eye-opener, but perhaps not surprising when you think 74m viewpoints weren't going to be overly dissuaded from their loyalty and conviction by that "Star Wars cantina" cavalcade in DC last week.

 

 

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