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13 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

A heavily trained militia group???? Fuck off it was a gang of red-necks who got a free pass 

It’s becoming increasingly apparent that wasn’t the case. I agree a lot of them will have been working class conspiracy theorists, but we’ve now got police officers, lawyers and elected officials involved, so some of them we’re middle class. And there was definitely an element of militia there who were organised and intent on something a bit more sinister than just breaking in. They may have used the others for cover, but they were there. And part of what led us to the 6th January was most people thinking they were rednecks.

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6 minutes ago, Anubis said:

It’s becoming increasingly apparent that wasn’t the case. I agree a lot of them will have been working class conspiracy theorists, but we’ve now got police officers, lawyers and elected officials involved, so some of them we’re middle class. And there was definitely an element of militia there who were organised and intent on something a bit more sinister than just breaking in. They may have used the others for cover, but they were there. And part of what led us to the 6th January was most people thinking they were rednecks.

 

A sophisticated network of Ivy League auto-bollock-taserers.

 

Coups aren't what they used to be.

 

 

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'The name of God was everywhere during Wednesday’s insurrection against the American government. The mob carried signs and flag declaring jesus saves! and god, guns & guts made america, let’s keep all three. Some were participants in the Jericho March, a gathering of Christians to “pray, march, fast, and rally for election integrity.” After calling on God to “save the republic” during rallies at state capitols and in D.C. over the past two months, the marchers returned to Washington with flourish. On the National Mall, one man waved the flag of Israel above a sign begging passersby to say yes to jesus. “Shout if you love Jesus!” someone yelled, and the crowd cheered. “Shout if you love Trump!” The crowd cheered louder. The group’s name is drawn from the biblical story of Jericho, “a city of false gods and corruption,” the march’s website says. Just as God instructed Joshua to march around Jericho seven times with priests blowing trumpets, Christians gathered in D.C., blowing shofars, the ram’s horn typically used in Jewish worship, to banish the “darkness of election fraud” and ensure that “the walls of corruption crumble.”

Read: Mass delusion in America

 

The Jericho March is evidence that Donald Trump has bent elements of American Christianity to his will, and that many Christians have obligingly remade their faith in his image. Defiant masses literally broke down the walls of government, some believing they were marching under Jesus’s banner to implement God’s will to keep Trump in the White House. The group’s co-founders are essentially unknown in the organized Christian world. Robert Weaver, an evangelical Oklahoma insurance salesman, was nominated by Trump to lead the Indian Health Service but withdrew after The Wall Street Journal reported that he misrepresented his qualifications. Arina Grossu, who is Catholic, recently worked as a contract communications adviser at the Department of Health and Human Services. (Weaver and Grossu declined to comment. “Jericho March denounces any and all acts of violence and destruction, including any that took place at the U.S. Capitol on January 6th, 2021,” a PR spokesperson for the March wrote to me in an email after the publication of this article.) Still, they will have far more influence in shaping the reputation of Christianity for the outside world than many denominational giants: They helped stage a stunning effort to circumvent the 2020 election, all in the name of their faith. White evangelicals, in particular, overwhelmingly supported Trump in 2016 and 2020. Some of these supporters participated in the attack on the Capitol on Wednesday. But many in the country hold all Trump voters responsible—especially those who lent him the moral authority of their faith.

 

This realization has shaken Christian leaders. “I certainly did not believe, or have any anticipation, that [Trump] would take matters to the extent that have become clear over the last few weeks,” Albert Mohler, the head of an influential evangelical seminary in Kentucky who hopes to be the next president of the Southern Baptist Convention, told me. Mohler opposed Trump in 2016, citing what he saw as the candidate’s poor character. But last spring, he publicly declared that he would support Trump in 2020 and vote for Republican presidential candidates for the rest of his life. “We are undoubtedly in an agonizing moment, in which evangelical Christians who supported Donald Trump now find ourselves in the position of being tremendously embarrassed by this most recent behavior,” he told me.

 

Mohler said he was shocked by the triumph of the mob on Wednesday. He could not believe that the president had explicitly encouraged this attack on the constitutional process. “Conservatives do not believe there is any excuse, whatsoever, for unleashing what amounts to a destructive rage on the nation,” he said. I asked him whether evangelicals who supported Trump have an obligation to grapple with their role in enabling Trump’s behavior. “I honestly don’t know the extent to which history will record the evangelicals—I’m trying to think of the word you just used for supporting the president. What was the word you just used? Enabling the president,” he said. “I’ve been very clear in my criticism of the president’s bad behavior.” Surely he didn’t vote for this. He couldn’t have known that this is how Trump would end things. But he sees that evangelicals are due for a reckoning in their own house. “Where we find ourselves in the wrong, repentance is always called for.”

 

Other evangelical leaders who have mostly stayed silent during Trump’s time in office finally spoke out on Wednesday. “Armed breaching of capitol security behind a confederate flag is anarchy, unAmerican, criminal treason and domestic terrorism. President Trump must clearly tell his supporters ‘We lost. Go home now,’” tweeted Rick Warren, an influential California megachurch pastor. But it was too late. Someone else had already grabbed the megaphone.

“This is bigger than one election,” Grossu says on the Jericho March website. “This is about protecting free and fair elections for the future and saving America from tyranny.” Paranoid thinking abounded among the protesters in D.C.; the QAnon conspiracy has circulated within some evangelical circles. On Wednesday, the Jericho March account tweeted a screenshot of Trump condemning Vice President Mike Pence for not stopping the certification of the Electoral College votes. “A sad day in America,” it said, along with prayer-hands emojis. The march organizers were not mourning the attack on the Capitol. They were mourning the vice president’s refusal to help the president overturn the election.'

 

Well, that's just dandy, god's in on this bullshit now.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/evangelicals-catholics-jericho-march-capitol/617591/

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The evangelical stuff goes hand in hand with trumpism though because it's all about suspending belief in your immediate senses and having faith that things will work out.

 

This is not an anti religious rant, but more about the place that evangelism holds in deprived rust belt communities.

 

Endless rows of closed shops, abject poverty, no hope, but 18 churches on every corner. Go, pay your money, sing your song, and one day all will be well.

 

That's what trumpism is. "One day" covid will just "go away". One day America will be like the 50s again, one day coal mines will reopen again, and so on and so on.

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3 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

The evangelical stuff goes hand in hand with trumpism though because it's all about suspending belief in your immediate senses and having faith that things will work out.

 

This is not an anti religious rant, but more about the place that evangelism holds in deprived rust belt communities.

 

Endless rows of closed shops, abject poverty, no hope, but 18 churches on every corner. Go, pay your money, sing your song, and one day all will be well.

 

That's what trumpism is. "One day" covid will just "go away". One day America will be like the 50s again, one day coal mines will reopen again, and so on and so on.

 

Oh, yeah, on a venn diagram the central cross over would be packed.

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3 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Endless rows of closed shops, abject poverty, no hope, but 18 churches on every corner. Go, pay your money, sing your song, and one day all will be well.

 

I guess you turn to fairies when this is your reality, perhaps.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Red Shift said:

Good post. Nuance. Sadly lacking in some of this thread.

 

Whether or not the number was a million or so (ok I was inaccurate in my estimation) or several hundred thousand, or two hundred thousand or only 100 thousand, only a fraction of the assembled crowds of people chose to cross the very distinct boundary, and forcibly enter the building.

 

Did they have grievances? Well yes, they had mainstream tv and amateur video circulating post election either pointing the finger at the dems for running an unconstitutional campaign, or worse, hinting at official tampering of ballots.

 

It certainly wasn’t  conjured up out of their rich imagination.

 

 

 

That last clip is a fake - see https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-prank-video/fact-check-prank-video-does-not-show-poll-worker-destroying-a-trump-ballot-idUSKBN27Q1NU?edition-redirect=uk

 

Why are you posting this drivel?

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16 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

The evangelical stuff goes hand in hand with trumpism though because it's all about suspending belief in your immediate senses and having faith that things will work out.

And they don’t seem fazed by the fact that the man they put their faith in treats the Seven Deadly Sins like a daily to-do list. 

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22 minutes ago, mars said:

 

Because old people will believe anything and everything they see online/on WhatsApp.

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21 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

And they don’t seem fazed by the fact that the man they put their faith in treats the Seven Deadly Sins like a daily to-do list. 

 

At least he gluttons KFC with a knife and fork.

 

 

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Cleveland: “It was me! I did it! It was me, guv, I did the blag.”

 

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24 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Peaceful protest? Nope.

 

 

Kellyanne Conway? I can't keep up, has she had a road to Damascus moment now too? Brave timing, beer goggles cunt.

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