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52 minutes ago, Mudface said:

It's not very clear, but the screens they're watching look like the stage Trump was about to speak on, rather than the march/ assault on the Capitol.

 

39 minutes ago, Anubis said:

That video is from the VIP tent prior to the rally starting. By the time shit went down Trump and his Gremlins were back in the White House.

Thanks for the clearing that up

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19 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Is that new? The initial reports had him hit with one, then getting away and collapsing and dying later- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55589230

I think you are right pal - was hit a couple of the times on the bonce then later collapsed went into a coma and died.

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9 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:


But there is evidence as all of the stupid cases that failed in court show which are widely and freely available to see.

this is their argument also, just from the opposite perspective

9 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

It is not justified and any group that peddles this shit is complicit in this.

 

There is no justification and all of those included, including Trump downwards are part of this conspiracy and should be held accountable.

agreed, but this is a separate issue on whether or not these people are protesters. The fact they are being sold a lie, gives credence to their claims of protest.

9 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

This it’s not legitimate protest and ignorance is not an excuse.

The violence may (or may not, depending on how far down the rabbit hole some have gone) be legitimate, but to continue to argue the protests are illegitimate and caused by ignorance is bollocks.

these people are being sold a big lie, they are heavily wrapped in it via their media channels and aided and abetted by elected officials. This isn’t Area 51 I believe shit, this is coming direct and indirect from the president of the United States.

add in the lack of policing for the capitol compared to BLM and basically a welcome mate from Hawley and co, this all goes to support their belief system.

9 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

By your rationale  the only legitimate form of protest is against their abusers and we all know who they are. 

No by my rationale, they are protesting what they see is a coup by the deep state etc (whoever is the current focus of the QAnon shit) to remove Trump from a legitimate second term. Yes most of the world know this is bollocks, they however have enough references from elected and unelected officials and are so heavily invested in the big lie, that they continue to follow the thread. Even trump’s call to Georgia officials on 02/01 will have strengthened this.

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10 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:


They are claiming they have had something taken from them which never existed, they have no recourse to justice as justice has been independently done and refuted their claim. 
 

There’s is a procedural argument, a suicide bomber is ideological, the comparison is ridiculous unless you want to claim they are ideologically based and tried to overthrow the government, which would warrant them to be labelled as traitors and committing treason and they should have been dealt with in light of this.

 

The argument is ‘protest’ Vs ‘revolution’ it was neither according to any definition. This is a mob that have been radicalised.

The problem with the justice system in the US, from where I’m sitting, is that it is not independent. It is subservient to the political system.

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Not trying to pull you up for nothing but again, what sources do you use? If you would like I can link you to an article from an expert on estimating crowd sizes - especially at DC events and at most there was 100k - he thinks probably less than that. This is what 850k look like in DC:

 

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That puts it into perspective a bit more for me. Thank you.

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2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Apparently the copper who died was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher 


Is that confirmed?

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I'd hazard a guess that whatever the mental gymnastics required to work out that shit, Trump hasn't got the wherewithal to do it. It appears to the uninitiated, me, to be something done after the fact to make it look like a coded message.

 

It's confusing, in that it appears to use the same figures/numbers twice in some cases, to eventually get to whatever message they want it to be. That may be naivety on my part, but that's how it appears.

 

Simple Gematria is a Jewish form of numerology where letters of the Hebrew alphabet are given numerical values. If he's really doing this, then he's most likely asking son-in-law, Kushner, to write messages in a usable and decipherable form. There's no fucking way he's doing it himself on his own brainpower.

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10 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Some of the protestors has 6mwne on their t shirts. This is code fir 6 million was not enough, a Holocaust reference. These people are pure fascists. 

We mustn’t forget that the Nazi final solution had it’s roots in American Eugenics.

 

https://www.nature.com/scitable/forums/genetics-generation/america-s-hidden-history-the-eugenics-movement-123919444/

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9 minutes ago, Code said:


Is that confirmed?

He was hit a couple of times on the head w a fire extinguisher - got back to the precinct, collapsed, coma, dead.

 

That is what happened.

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10 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Some of the protestors has 6mwne on their t shirts. This is code fir 6 million was not enough, a Holocaust reference. These people are pure fascists. 

Yes and some of them were dressed as Jamiroquai, or the SAS, and some took their ma along with them, some of them are undoubtedly fascists, same as a good few Tories are, some may be hateful anti-semites.
Failing to recognise any nuance, or take anything from why they were there will only see the divide continue, and issues worsen.

the woman who was shot, whilst having a fair old rant in her car made quite a few clear statements on why she was going, and some of them were understandable, whether they were valid or not I can’t say as I don’t know her circumstances 

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9 hours ago, Chocoholic said:

 

Hope he can relax as comfortably with his feet up and appreciate the cell bed he'll be on for the foreseeable future. 

This dude was about 70 if I recall rightly, If he gets banged up, he has a good chance of being heralded by some dickhead white supremacist gang inside, and will spend a few years as a “ celebrity” whilst being fed and sheltered, for some that level of recognition will be enough to make the jail time worth it.

 

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19 minutes ago, Chocoholic said:

There's no fucking way he's doing it himself on his own brainpower.

I think you'll find he's got a brilliant mind. He's a very stable genius who can memorise 5 nouns and recall them 10 minutes later.

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6 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

We mustn’t forget that the Nazi final solution had it’s roots in American Eugenics.

 

https://www.nature.com/scitable/forums/genetics-generation/america-s-hidden-history-the-eugenics-movement-123919444/

I love you man - it is interesting how you are latched onto US history.

 

Eugenics started centuries ago. Greece and Italy. Modern eugenics ( read last 2 centuries) has its roots in UK science.

US involvement was based on racial issues - no mixed marriage. Then came the Nazis - that is about 80 years ago.

Then China began enforcing one son. Now folks around the world are testing for chromosomal deficiencies and implanting eggs from "superior" donors.

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24 minutes ago, Chocoholic said:

I'd hazard a guess that whatever the mental gymnastics required to work out that shit, Trump hasn't got the wherewithal to do it. It appears to the uninitiated, me, to be something done after the fact to make it look like a coded message.

 

It's confusing, in that it appears to use the same figures/numbers twice in some cases, to eventually get to whatever message they want it to be. That may be naivety on my part, but that's how it appears.

 

Simple Gematria is a Jewish form of numerology where letters of the Hebrew alphabet are given numerical values. If he's really doing this, then he's most likely asking son-in-law, Kushner, to write messages in a usable and decipherable form. There's no fucking way he's doing it himself on his own brainpower.

It will be the irony of ironies if these whackjobs are using a secret jewish code.

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52 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Yes and some of them were dressed as Jamiroquai, or the SAS, and some took their ma along with them, some of them are undoubtedly fascists, same as a good few Tories are, some may be hateful anti-semites.
Failing to recognise any nuance, or take anything from why they were there will only see the divide continue, and issues worsen.

the woman who was shot, whilst having a fair old rant in her car made quite a few clear statements on why she was going, and some of them were understandable, whether they were valid or not I can’t say as I don’t know her circumstances 

Good post. Nuance. Sadly lacking in some of this thread.

 

Whether or not the number was a million or so (ok I was inaccurate in my estimation) or several hundred thousand, or two hundred thousand or only 100 thousand, only a fraction of the assembled crowds of people chose to cross the very distinct boundary, and forcibly enter the building.

 

Did they have grievances? Well yes, they had mainstream tv and amateur video circulating post election either pointing the finger at the dems for running an unconstitutional campaign, or worse, hinting at official tampering of ballots.

 

It certainly wasn’t  conjured up out of their rich imagination.

 

 

 

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Was there only tampering in the States Trump lost the Presidential vote? And only in the Prez part?

You notice there was no mention of "fraud" in any state Trump won.

 

It would be difficult to explain how down ballot Republicans won in places where there was "ballot tampering" wouldn't it?

Essentially folks would have had to individually change just the vote for President - one at a time.

 

And by this time you have to have realized that there was never any place that didn't have witnesses from both parties verifying votes.

 

Can you see why it is hard to view you as anything but a right wing conspiracist? It is the basis for everything you post.

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1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

I love you man - it is interesting how you are latched onto US history.

 

Eugenics started centuries ago. Greece and Italy. Modern eugenics ( read last 2 centuries) has its roots in UK science.

US involvement was based on racial issues - no mixed marriage. Then came the Nazis - that is about 80 years ago.

Then China began enforcing one son. Now folks around the world are testing for chromosomal deficiencies and implanting eggs from "superior" donors.

I'm halfway through the book "Superior: The Return of Race Science" by Angela Saini and I've just, 20 minutes ago, finished the chapter on Galton and Pearson and the pioneering modern eugenecists.  Their ideas were quickly picked up in the US  (special mention to Madison Grant) and elsewhere, but modern eugenics can't really be called "American" since it was Made in England. 

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33 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Was there only tampering in the States Trump lost the Presidential vote? And only in the Prez part?

You notice there was no mention of "fraud" in any state Trump won.

 

It would be difficult to explain how down ballot Republicans won in places where there was "ballot tampering" wouldn't it?

Essentially folks would have had to individually change just the vote for President - one at a time.

 

And by this time you have to have realized that there was never any place that didn't have witnesses from both parties verifying votes.

 

Can you see why it is hard to view you as anything but a right wing conspiracist? It is the basis for everything you post.

You’ve missed my point, somewhat.

 

let me try to be a bit clearer. 
 

The mainstream media is increasingly split right down the middle between the anti leftist bunch, and anti right (and now Trump) bunch.

 

If a right winger, wants to get a dose or fix of his or her daily news, he or she has to get it from the media that unfortunately, will indoctrinate him or her further into his or her views. The same applies on the left - you may disagree.

 

However, getting back to the large gathering in Washington on that fateful day - whether they were in ‘the few’ violent rioters, or in the majority of peaceful protesters, and yes, I distinguish between them, it wasn’t ‘all in their heads’.

 

I’m gonna cut this post short cos I’m busy, suffice to say, that it is my honest opinion, that the media in America - probably even internationally, has to accept that it has played a large part by isolating it’s citizens - it’s a bit more complicated than that, mainly due to Covid, but from where I’m sitting, I agree with RP - left or right, big government is fucking up the states and the supporting media of both factions, is complicit.

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