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3 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

The question is, are the late ballots legal in that state, or was it an unreasonable stance to take by the Pennsylvania (Dem) legislature?

They are legal at the moment. The nazi also forgot to mention that there's only 3 to 4 thousand of them and Trump is losing by over 45 thousand. 

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For those that don’t subscribe to the N.Y. Times:

 

Trump Appointee Stands Between Biden’s Team and a Smooth Transition

Emily W. Murphy, the administrator of the General Services Administration, must formally recognize President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. for the transfer of power to begin.

 

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Emily W. Murphy has the legal authority to begin the transition, releasing the $6.6 million in federal funds budgeted for the effort, making office space available and empowering team members to visit agency offices and request information.

 

Transition officials for President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. called on a top Trump administration appointee on Monday to end what they said was unwarranted obstruction of the money and access that federal law says must flow to the winner of a presidential election.

The officials, speaking on background to reporters on Monday night, said it was nearly unprecedented for Emily W. Murphy, the administrator of the General Services Administration, to refuse to issue a letter of “ascertainment,” which allows Mr. Biden’s transition team to begin the transfer of power.

By law, Ms. Murphy, the head of the sprawling agency that keeps the federal government functioning, must formally recognize Mr. Biden as the incoming president for his transition to begin. It has been three days since news organizations projected that he was the winner of the election, and Ms. Murphy has still not acted.

The transition officials said her inaction was preventing Mr. Biden’s teams from moving into government offices, including secure facilities where they can discuss classified information. The teams cannot meet with their counterparts in agencies or begin background checks of top cabinet nominees that require top-secret access.

 

A White House official pointed out, as several Trump allies have, that the transition after the 2000 presidential election was delayed by the court fight between the campaigns of Vice President Al Gore and Gov. George W. Bush of Texas over several weeks. The official said it would be strange for President Trump to send some kind of a signal to allow the transition to start while he is still engaged in court fights.

But Mr. Biden’s aides said that the dispute in 2000 involved one state with only about 500 ballots separating the winner and loser, far less than in the current contest. In every other presidential race for the past 60 years, the determination of a winner was made within 24 hours, they said — even as legal challenges and recounts continued for weeks.

 

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They said that they were considering “all options,” including potential legal action, to push Ms. Murphy to let the transition begin.

Ms. Murphy, who described herself as “a bit of a wonk” at her Senate confirmation hearing in October 2017, and also said that she was “not here to garner headlines or make a name for myself,” so far has chosen to side with the White House and Mr. Trump, standing between Mr. Biden’s team and a smooth transition.

The president refuses to concede the election and has his campaign contesting results in multiple states. Most Republicans have declined to recognize Mr. Biden, much less appointees like Ms. Murphy. And so the transfer of power that must take place is in limbo.

 

A White House spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a question about whether Mr. Trump was willing to let Ms. Murphy begin the transition without a concession from the president, as his court fights play out.

Leslie Dach, who was to lead the transition for the Department of Health and Human Services had Hillary Clinton won the presidency in 2016, said that despite the advance work done by Mr. Biden’s team during the campaign, nothing could supplant having direct access to agencies, and that is impossible without Ms. Murphy.

“I think this is Trump sending a clear signal to everybody still standing in the administration that you’ve got to still follow his grievances,” Mr. Dach said.

The stalling of the transition is part of an overarching refusal to acknowledge the election results by the Trump administration.

Officials in the White House presidential personnel office, known as P.P.O., have signaled that they will fire political appointees who search for new jobs outside of the administration during this time, according to two people briefed on the internal discussions. And on a call with U.S.A.I.D. staff members on Monday, officials described the election as still happening, according to a recording obtained by Axios.

In a letter on Sunday from the nonpartisan Center for Presidential Transition, veterans of previous administrations warned, “While there will be legal disputes requiring adjudication, the outcome is sufficiently clear that the transition process must now begin.”

Aides to Mr. Biden have been working for months to develop fine-tuned transition plans to help the president-elect quickly make good on his campaign promises. Those review teams made up of people knowledgeable about each federal agency are critical.

 

Ms. Murphy has the legal authority to “turn on” the transition, releasing the $6.3 million in federal funds budgeted for the effort, making office space available and empowering team members to visit agency offices and request information.

It is often seen as the official starting gun. Under normal circumstances, Ms. Murphy’s decision would usually be prompted by the concession speech by the election’s loser, which is not a legal act, but it signals that both sides accept the result. In 2016, the acting administrator of the General Services Administration, also known as the G.S.A., under President Barack Obama made the determination on the morning of Nov. 9, right after the election.

But there is no specific provision for when Ms. Murphy must act.

Pamela D. Pennington, a spokeswoman for the G.S.A., said in a statement on Monday that “an ascertainment has not yet been made.”

She added that the “G.S.A. and its administrator will continue to abide by, and fulfill, all requirements under the law and adhere to prior precedent established by the Clinton administration in 2000.”

In an earlier statement, Ms. Pennington said that “the G.S.A. administrator does not pick the winner in the presidential election,” adding that “the G.S.A. administrator ascertains the apparent successful candidate once a winner is clear based on the process laid out in the Constitution.”

 

Aides to Mr. Biden said that they expected Ms. Murphy to act within a few days, but that they were bracing for the possibility that political pressure from the president and his Republican allies would prevent that. In a statement on Twitter on Sunday, Jen Psaki, a transition official, gently prodded Ms. Murphy to make the announcement.

“Now that the election has been independently called for Joe Biden, we look forward to the GSA Administrator quickly ascertaining Joe Biden and Kamala Harris as the President-elect and Vice President-elect,” Ms. Psaki wrote. “America’s national security and economic interests depend on the federal government signaling clearly and swiftly that the United States government will respect the will of the American people and engage in a smooth and peaceful transfer of power.”

 

Mr. Biden’s transition officials were more pointed on Monday night, effectively saying that the Trump administration was reneging on promises made over the past six months to ensure a proper transfer of power if Mr. Biden won.

The officials said that they signed three separate memorandums of agreement — including one signed by Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff — that laid out the access and money Mr. Biden’s team would receive in the days after the election. None of that has been allowed to proceed, they said.

The coronavirus pandemic has made office space less critical for the Biden transition team, which has been mostly meeting remotely for the past several months and will continue to do so, according to a transition official. There is a skeleton staff at the office space that was provided by the government before the election.

But once Ms. Murphy signals that the transition can begin, that office space will be expanded and equipped with computer systems that give the new administration access to classified systems and information, in addition to a secure location to have secret conversations.

If that does not happen in the coming days, the Biden administration has other options. Transition officials have private office space they can continue to use, and Mr. Biden and his team will continue to operate remotely. When the president-elect met with his pandemic advisory board on Monday, he was in Delaware and the board members were on a big screen, calling in from their homes or offices.

The bigger issue would be access to the agencies and the information they need to begin carrying out Mr. Biden’s agenda. But people familiar with Mr. Biden’s transition said there was a partial workaround: Many of the people still working in the federal agencies were close to Mr. Biden’s advisers and might be willing to work with them to provide the unclassified information they need.

But that would not solve the problem of gaining access to classified information, which could affect the ability of Mr. Biden’s national security team to prepare itself for emergencies that it may have to confront once in office. Transition officials said one specific limitation at the moment is that Mr. Biden does not have access to a secure State Department facility that is normally used to route calls from foreign leaders hoping to congratulate the newly elected president.

 

Mr. Biden has been making those calls, but has not been allowed to use the State Department as has been the practice after previous elections.

Mr. Trump and his allies have criticized Democrats and the news media for projecting Mr. Biden as the winner before legal challenges and recounts have been completed. But historically, the ascertainment decision by the G.S.A. administrator has not waited for the outcomes of such challenges.

In 2004, recounts in New Hampshire and Ohio were completed after the G.S.A. made a decision. And several states were decided by less than a single percentage point. In 2016, five recounts were filed after the G.S.A. announcement, and three were conducted in Michigan, Nevada and Wisconsin.

Ms. Murphy is an unlikely figure to be at the center of such an explosive situation: She is a low-key bureaucrat who began her career as a Republican staff member on Capitol Hill and professes her love of procurement reform and lease renegotiations. Democrats who worked with her there said they remembered her as a diligent professional.

But her tenure at the G.S.A., which she has run since December 2017, has not been without controversy.

In 2018, House Democrats concluded that Ms. Murphy had misled them about her agency’s decision to reconsider the F.B.I.’s longtime plans to relocate its aging headquarters on Pennsylvania Avenue to a suburban area. Democrats found that Mr. Trump had intervened to kill the plan, potentially because he feared that a commercial developer could turn a vacated J. Edgar Hoover Building into a hotel that would compete with his own Trump International Hotel a block away.

The G.S.A.’s inspector general found that Ms. Murphy’s testimony on the matter to Congress in 2018 was “incomplete and may have left the misleading impression that she had no discussions with White House officials in the decision-making” when in fact she had, including during a visit to the Oval Office in 2017.

 

House Democrats have also concluded that Ms. Murphy has been slow to furnish them with documents and other information relating to the G.S.A.’s lease of the historic Old Post Office Building in Washington, the site of Mr. Trump’s hotel, to the Trump Organization.

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Jesus. This bit right here. Back to the Constitution.

 

In an earlier statement, Ms. Pennington said that “the G.S.A. administrator does not pick the winner in the presidential election,” adding that “the G.S.A. administrator ascertains the apparent successful candidate once a winner is clear based on the process laid out in the Constitution.”

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That Harris video is obviously from when she was campaigning to be the Dem candidate for Presidency.

 

As VP she can’t so anything it will be up to Biden. Without the Senate I can’t see them making any changes to gun control, unfortunately.

 

Seems to be a lot of bluster about what Trump is up to. He’s on borrowed time, it’s just a case of being patient.

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2 minutes ago, Brownie said:

That Harris video is obviously from when she was campaigning to be the Dem candidate for Presidency.

 

As VP she can’t so anything it will be up to Biden. Without the Senate I can’t see them making any changes to gun control, unfortunately.

 

Seems to be a lot of bluster about what Trump is up to. He’s on borrowed time, it’s just a case of being patient.

Have you watched Vice? I understand that to be a reasonably accurate account of the GW Bush and Cheney ticket. It would indicated the VP is not always passive. 

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1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

Have you watched Vice? I understand that to be a reasonably accurate account of the GW Bush and Cheney ticket. It would indicated the VP is not always passive. 

No mate. I know that the VP can be active or passive; it depends on the President really. By all accounts Biden was active because Obama encouraged it.

 

I wasn’t getting at influence though I was talking about actual power.

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12 minutes ago, Brownie said:

No mate. I know that the VP can be active or passive; it depends on the President really. By all accounts Biden was active because Obama encouraged it.

 

I wasn’t getting at influence though I was talking about actual power.

Get yourself on Amazon prime and watch Vice! 

 

In actual fact it's worth a watch just because it hints at some of the things we could still have unfold while trump is in the hot seat. 

 

And as an aside, I used to find Steve Carell annoying when I 1st knew him off the American office. But I've seen him in 3 things recently where I've enjoyed his performance. This, the morning show and spaceforce. 

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8 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Sky news Australia is basically Fox News on steds because Murdoch is balls deep in editorial control. He's a malignancy and the fact he gets away with it astounds me endlessly.

So you don’t agree with anything that Alan Jones is saying? Clear media bias for Joe Biden?

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I got this from the latest trump.email shot. If he didn't have people there to observe, how does he know he got 71m legal votes? 

 

The observers were NOT allowed into the counting rooms. President Trump won the Election with 71,000,000 LEGAL votes. Bad things happened which our observers were NOT allowed to see. Millions of mail-in ballots were sent to people who never asked for them.
 

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21 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I got this from the latest trump.email shot. If he didn't have people there to observe, how does he know he got 71m legal votes? 

 

The observers were NOT allowed into the counting rooms. President Trump won the Election with 71,000,000 LEGAL votes. Bad things happened which our observers were NOT allowed to see. Millions of mail-in ballots were sent to people who never asked for them.
 

How does know bad things happened, if his observers didn't see ? 

That is a judge them as I judge myself argument, and has no basis in fact.

 

 

I also know trying to use logic with Trump is futile.

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30 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

So you don’t agree with anything that Alan Jones is saying? Clear media bias for Joe Biden?

They’ve just spent 4 years being called “fake” and “enemies of the people”, what do you expect?

 

I’m as sceptical as anyone about media due to ownership and conflicts of interest but you can’t do what Trump did and not expect it to bite you in the arse.

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