US Election 2020 Thread

[mattyq]

2 hours ago, Anubis said:

Catch of the day, ladies.

I've been saying this for some time

That guy just gets it

Is it any coincidence that women were first given the vote in 1918 which just so happened to be the same year as the last global pandemic?

Also, in 1918 we still had a massive fuck off Empire and with women being given the vote that's all been thrown away

[TheHowieLama]

There is no question he is gay.

[mattyq]

31 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

There is no question he is gay.

No, mate, he's just re-taken his throne

Not quite sure what that means but it sounds impressive 

[Anubis]

You can just imagine the Tweets we’d be getting right now.

 

 

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

There is no question he is gay.

 

Gay people don't hate women, they just don't fancy them.

 

He sounds more like an incel, not sure what gay has to do with it.

[Barrington Womble]

11 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

the problem with behemoths including Amazon, FB, Paypal etc is that they are more powerful than nation states, the need to be cut down and have regulations applied, but they are now so heavily integrated politically this is unlikely to  happen, and they will continue to have such behind the curtain power into the future, why put yourself out front when you can achieve so much pulling strings - the Murdoch way.

 

From a technical perspective with regards cloud providers - the data is safe, everything probably was partitioned and separated from other client (for such a big app), the problem was that the application they built onto of the cloud was insecure, that is not the problem of Amazon, that issue lies with the software devs, they left the holes for the hackers to get in. 

I can build a house and put locks on all the doors and windows, top spec alarm system, Rottweiler in the garden, but if you leave your wifi unsecured, some dickhead can still drive past, hack your operating system and gain access to all of your data

If people start pushing back then as per @Bruce Spanner supporting this legitimises their actions, you cannot say it is wrong for group a to push back but ok for group b to push back.

And this isn't false equivalency, it's basic fucking sense. Some of these QAnon and Trumpo wankers believe their truth just as much as people on the other believe theirs, how can they not see the truth etc - all of the same arguments from both sides and what one uses as ammunition the other uses as defence.

The people are not the problem, the system is the problem, and the system will not change, as it doesn't want to, the people pulling the strings do not want it to, and they hold far more sway and influence than any politician, party, association or celebrity - Tom Jones couldn't rescue this shit.

The chances were spurned the UK and US as Bernie and Corby were jettisoned, that was a major signal of, we'll all carry on regardless.

 

AWS may not be abusing their monopoly position in these circumstances, I agree, they do in plenty of other circumstances however.

Tech companies defy need to be broken up, or we (in the west) are basically living under the 7 kingdoms due to the capital and influence (both politically and at the individual level) they hold:

Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, Alphabet, MS and Apple, Paypal

I don't disagree something needs to be done. They don't just have a dominant position in a certain part of tech, they pretty much dominate that, our online retailing (which on this pandemic means retailing), our communication systems and they know where we are and what we're up to 24/7. I would break them all up. But it will need global cooperation to do this. We also need to consider how these "soft" products are taxed. 

4 hours ago, redheart said:

So what would you do if you found that your GP went to storm the Capitol and believed all that Q bullshit?

 

Obviously you would change GP.

 

Still probably would mind

 

 

 

 

You still would though wouldn't you? 

[sir roger]

40 minutes ago, mattyq said:

No, mate, he's just re-taken his throne

I'd be shitting myself too if I had put a bullseye on my back with every woman in the universe.

[sir roger]

23 minutes ago, Anubis said:

You can just imagine the Tweets we’d be getting right now.

 

 

Shows how fucked up the US is when McCarthy is defending the commies

[Trumo]

Risitas is back. This guy's laugh is more infectious than Covid.

 

 

[Herp McDerp]

2 minutes ago, Trumo said:

Risitas is back. This guy's laugh is more infectious than Covid.

 

 

 

Haha I was just done watching it and scurried over to post it here.

[TheHowieLama]

11 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez C-137 said:

 

Gay people don't hate women, they just don't fancy them.

 

He sounds more like an incel, not sure what gay has to do with it.

Going off the picture in his avatar.

No straight man looks that good.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

22 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Going off the picture in his avatar.

No straight man looks that good.

 

Ah, I assumed that was some celebrity I wasn't aware of, sorry.

[halewood pete]

[SasaS]

Short but informative video on the timeline of the riot from WSJ.

https://www.wsj.com/video/video-analysis-how-a-pro-trump-mob-overran-capitol-police/55727077-6EF2-4BE1-9DC6-453E5A9390CF.html

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, redheart said:

So what would you do if you found that your GP went to storm the Capitol and believed all that Q bullshit?

 

Obviously you would change GP.

 

Still probably would mind

 

 

 

 

Imagine if you're feeling a bit off, so you go to your doctor for her expert, science-based opinion - and she's wearing a massive sparkly Q badge!

[SasaS]

You will probably be fine. Just ignore the three teaspoons of Domestos a day prescription.

[Pidge]

BBC blog got a nice "Where next for Trump supporters thrown off Twitter?", where they are basically just promoting a series of far-right websites. Smart bunch, over there...

[Chocoholic]

15 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Imagine if you're feeling a bit off, so you go to your doctor for her expert, science-based opinion - and she's wearing a massive sparkly Q badge!

Q standing for quack, obviously. Nice of her to be so open and honest about that, seeing she lies about most other stuff.

 

Meanwhile, the baby throws another tantrum, with unexpected positive results for a change.

 

 

[Section_31]

I see Deuche bank are cutting ties with him, with a week to go. Inspiring stuff. Just waiting for Farage next, I give it 48 hours before.

[Chocoholic]

A whole week after the Capitol riot, and only a week to go before he's out, DoucheBank, like Twitter, Facebook and the other big tech & financials, cut their ties with him, having profited from allowing him free rein for the term of his presidency. Nice and principled. Or should that be nice and principaled? 

 

Doing the 'decent thing' of not swigging the last dregs from the bottle, after quaffing the gallon of wine. It would be unseemly. Big up to them.

[Gnasher]

57 minutes ago, Chocoholic said:

A whole week after the Capitol riot, and only a week to go before he's out, DoucheBank, like Twitter, Facebook and the other big tech & financials, cut their ties with him, having profited from allowing him free rein for the term of his presidency. Nice and principled. Or should that be nice and principaled? 

 

Doing the 'decent thing' of not swigging the last dregs from the bottle, after quaffing the gallon of wine. It would be unseemly. Big up to them.

The swigging the last dregs reminds of when Trump had an argument with Coca Cola and blasted it all over Twitter " I've never seen a thin fella drinking diet coke" was one of Donald's crackers. When coke threatened to sue he hit them with the classic "Seems I've upset the losers who run coca cola but they wont stop me drinking the garbage"  

[Red Shift]

10 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

But this is why we're in this mess, because we give all opinions equal weight.

 

One side saying: "the world is run by a satanic ring of paedophiles and president trump is fighting back, but to undermine him the election was rigged."

 

And the other side saying:

 

"That's not true".

 

Is not a discussion. 

 

The people who support actions like what was seen on capitol Hill are extremists and should be treated as such, the venom that feeds them should be cut off at the source by any means necessary. People have got years in jail over here for sharing Jihadi content, what's the difference?

 

None of these people just popped into view. They've been around for decades. There's always been an undercurrent of disaffected in the US, from the very first biker gangs that were started after World War two by people who didn't want to be part of society because of their experiences in combat, to fringe religious groups, survivalists and people in the deep south who still think the confederacy should have won. There's a historic of domestic terrorism with anti government people actually planting bombs (Timothy McVeigh I "think" was in that category.)

 

These clowns have always been a potential danger and had whole divisions of FBI assigned to track them.

 

The problem now is you've got a president and a fringe media infrastructure that's established a way of making money out of stoking these people's hate and mentalism. That's a direct threat to the country. If one of these clowns got their hands on a nuclear bomb would anyone be shocked or surprised to see Washington go up in smoke? Probably not, and that's fucked up. Fuckers need purging, as does everyone who enables them.

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. 
Peeling away a bit more of the onion though, so to speak, there is a 2 party political monopoly in place in the States, that wants to maintain the status quo. Who can blame them? Capitalists playing at the game they know. Sure, on the outside, they’ll appear to want a level playing field for everybody else - break up big tech or whatever - but they’re not going to let anybody break up their little two horse race.

 

Along comes Trump. Rhetoric: I’m going to drain the swamp and make America great again. That attracted a massive vote block, precisely because its not hard to see the state of American culture and democracy. Most people vote to create a better world, but obviously perception is everything, and our perception is governed by our indoctrination into any particular tribe we have subscribed to. Trump never once distanced himself from the far right maniacs, but the majority of his support, who to be fair, may be conservative or republican or whatever but not Nazis, didn’t have any other choices.

 

Just as an aside, the owners and admins of Parler had an obligation to shut down hate speech on their platform right from the get go, just as those on the left did, in not regulating Trump or his cronies earlier. But no, they’re just fucking money grubbing.

 

At the end of the day, there IS a difference between free speech and hate speech.

 

[halewood pete]

[Red Shift]

9 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Shame instead of relying on the messenger to shut down the message the Liberals and Democrats didnt let someone who offered an alternative to America's establishment take on Trump first time round and strangle his philosophy of division at birth.

 

Hilary Clinton was understandably seen as a toxic politician who was part of a political elite who offered little hope to blue collar America. Trump rode in on an anti establishment, anti Clinton card and duly mopped up every vote from disgruntled American voters. 

 

The Bernie Sanders v Donald Trump 2026 election was an election of ideals both America and the world were denied, and if the people would have been offered a true choice Trump would have been back doing game shows.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/bernie-sanders-beaten-donald-trump-pre-election-poll-a7412636.html

It would have a fascinating scenario with Bernie in the WH.....but.....the make up of both the Senate and The House, would have been obviously important.

 

Let’s assume the Dems got both. How much would the party have allowed Bernie to dictate terms?

[Jennings]

Watching his live thing just now.

They're playing music waiting for him to arrive - "Saturday Night is Alright for Fighting."

 

 

No shit.