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Involved in all three goals.

 

If we are honest he was absolute shite, but I have no expectations. If you dont have pace at this level, you need supreme qualities to make up for it, Phillips doesnt,

 

But he is what we have right now. Unless Van Dijk is back for the final we stand no chance, but we can still hope we can get there.

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16 minutes ago, Jarvinja Ilnow said:

Kabak's no great shakes, either - but he will cost an extra £18m if we sign him. Nat is a good 5th choice behind VVD, Gomez, (Caleta-Car, Ajer etc). Kabak isn't worth the money - he has Dejan-like palsy in stressful games.

Yeah neither are the answer for a competitive team. I don't think you can have a 5th choice (or any choice) so antithetical to the style of the system; this is likely why Williams was initially ahead in the pecking order before we cottoned on to him being a League 1 level defender and why Phillips was on his way out of the club before our hand was forced. Both were essentially Academy players, and neither actively bought by first-team management.

 

There are, quite literally, at least 20 Premier League centre backs who could come in and do a better job. It makes the failings in January all the more glaring - unforgivable, actually, but there are no gods above FSG so 'forgiveness' is a banal construct.

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18 minutes ago, Code said:

Involved in all three goals.

 

If we are honest he was absolute shite, but I have no expectations. If you dont have pace at this level, you need supreme qualities to make up for it, Phillips doesnt,

 

But he is what we have right now. Unless Van Dijk is back for the final we stand no chance, but we can still hope we can get there.

I think Trent was more culpable than Phillips. But the right side of our defence was a proper clusterfuck... 

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He’s clearly not Shite.  He was literally our player of the month in March.  He has hardly put a foot wrong all season.  The midfield didn’t press and didn’t keep the ball and Trent absolutely fucked us with his dickhead defending.  Kabak had a pretty good game and was the better of the two but it is what it is.

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18 minutes ago, The Guest said:

He’s clearly not Shite.  He was literally our player of the month in March.  He has hardly put a foot wrong all season.  The midfield didn’t press and didn’t keep the ball and Trent absolutely fucked us with his dickhead defending.  Kabak had a pretty good game and was the better of the two but it is what it is.

Agree with this.

 

I think he did as well as we could have expected considering the fact that the majority of our other players were playing quite poorly.

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We could have very feasibly conceded 6. He was outwardly very culpable for at least 1 goal for that disastrous non-marking of Vincius Junior (shared culpability with Alisson). The bar is being set very, very low.

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He'll be playing for a decent team next season, but never a CL team.

 

The fact he's starting for us against Real Madrid makes a mokery of how we planned the season, and how we reacted in January.

 

Utter shite from the club, and we're seeing the impact now.

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6 hours ago, Alex_K said:

We could have very feasibly conceded 6. He was outwardly very culpable for at least 1 goal for that disastrous non-marking of Vincius Junior (shared culpability with Alisson). The bar is being set very, very low.

That goal was almost completely on Trent.  You clearly haven’t watched a single replay of it.

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1 hour ago, The Guest said:

That goal was almost completely on Trent.  You clearly haven’t watched a single replay of it.

I’d laugh, if you were not the guy last week slating Rafa Benitez for a team selection that ultimately existed only in your head, and again praising/criticising players for games they did not even play in. So instead I am worried.

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22 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

All on Trent. But its easy to pick Nat out because he's not a glamorous or stylish player. 

He is 24 and to this point had 19 professional appearances to his name at a 2nd division German club. “Glamor and style” have nothing to do with it - he simply is not a very good professional footballer, hence he is a 24 year old academy product with very few appearances at a respectable level of football, rushed home only because of an injury crisis & through FSG’s reluctant to provide an adequate professional replacement.

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Madrid had clearly done their homework and he and trent were targeted a lot. Its hard to blame him, last year he was turning out for German farmers FC and this year he's facing Real Madrid in the European Cup quarter finals.  He's not up to it but he's giving it his full effort. We can't really ask for more. 

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9 hours ago, The Guest said:

He’s clearly not Shite.  He was literally our player of the month in March.  He has hardly put a foot wrong all season.  The midfield didn’t press and didn’t keep the ball and Trent absolutely fucked us with his dickhead defending.  Kabak had a pretty good game and was the better of the two but it is what it is.

This, you cannot give players like Toni Kroos the time to observe how things are unfolding and then pick his pass, even after he passed we had noone within 10m of him. In a foot race gomez and VVD would struggle to keep up with that Vinicius lad so letting him have a free run on to a non harried kroos pass was not a good idea.

 

There was so much wrong last night and it started with Naby being selected and then Fabinho going to shit.

 

The defence were the least of our worries last night, if the midfield and strikers had performed then we wouldn't be one foot out of the CL.

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Shouldn't really be blaming the defence. 

 

The issue was the midfield and attack not being bale to pass or control the ball from the very first second

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22 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

I’d laugh, if you were not the guy last week slating Rafa Benitez for a team selection that ultimately existed only in your head, and again praising/criticising players for games they did not even play in. So instead I am worried.

It was about 13 years ago to be fair and I mixed the two legs of a tie together.  Go and watch the replay.  He’s Madrid‘s left winger and Trent should be all over him.  Phillips is concentrating on the play as he’s the next man if the play spills in front of him.  Trent isn’t doing anything other than ball watching.  He’s got Phillips in front of him so should just be tight to Vinicius or at least screaming at him that he’s coming.  He doesn’t do either.

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56 minutes ago, Josef Svejk said:

Yep. Trent lost his man there.


We are not man marking, he is moving into Phillips zone, Phillips lets him have all the space in the world to get a free shot. 

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14 minutes ago, The Guest said:

It was about 13 years ago to be fair and I mixed the two legs of a tie together.  Go and watch the replay.  He’s Madrid‘s left winger and Trent should be all over him.  Phillips is concentrating on the play as he’s the next man if the play spills in front of him.  Trent isn’t doing anything other than ball watching.  He’s got Phillips in front of him so should just be tight to Vinicius or at least screaming at him that he’s coming.  He doesn’t do either.

Vincius scores from the left hand side of the penalty spot, after the ball is delivered from the left hand side of the pitch. There’s absolutely no reason why a right back would move to the central-left hand side of the penalty area, or really why a right back would ever be culpable for a goal originated and scored from the left hand side. Phillips is the closest player to him once the ball is in the box, as he should be being a centre back occupying that space, but he is too slow off the mark and stuck in no man’s land in front of Alisson.

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The lad is what he is.

 

He shouldn't have to be playing in champions league quarter finals but he is due to how things have unfolded with the centre half crisis and our reaction to it and failure to properly strengthen the area both before the season and after the crisis hit.

 

He's a decent, honest kid who will have a decentish career in the lower half of the PL, but he is out of his depth at this level and should never have been put in this position - he's coped better than most expected/not been as bad as feared, but ultimately when push really comes to shove he will inevitably come up short.

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17 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

Vincius scores from the left hand side of the penalty spot, after the ball is delivered from the left hand side of the pitch. There’s absolutely no reason why a right back would move to the central-left hand side of the penalty area, or really why a right back would ever be culpable for a goal originated and scored from the left hand side. Phillips is the closest player to him once the ball is in the box, as he should be being a centre back occupying that space, but he is too slow off the mark and stuck in no man’s land in front of Alisson.

Who is Trent occupying when Vinicius runs off him?  What’s he doing exactly other than just standing there with no other player in sight?  He should follow him over because he’s the danger. He can see that Phillips doesn’t know he’s there as well which makes the whole thing worse.  Ferdinand broke it down after the game and said the exact same thing I’m saying.  At least he should shout to him if he can’t be arsed going with him and he doesn’t even do that.  You can see the shock that he’s there when Phillips first sees him.  Phillips isn’t even in that bad a position and the shot goes through his legs so he’s fairly unlucky he doesn’t block it.

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36 minutes ago, Code said:


We are not man marking, he is moving into Phillips zone, Phillips lets him have all the space in the world to get a free shot. 

As stated above, Rio Ferdinand demonstrated conclusively after the game what happened there.

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no idea why people are looking at the defence the issue last night the whole team played shit. Yet again it just goes to show there is more wrong with the team than just the defence 

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4 minutes ago, andyj said:

no idea why people are looking at the defence the issue last night the whole team played shit. Yet again it just goes to show there is more wrong with the team than just the defence 

Probably because this thread is about one of our defenders. Lots of other threads about other aspects of our performance. 

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