January 2021 Transfer Thread

[Jairzinho]

8 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

From what I remember the club wanted either Alisson or Oblak but Athletico wanted the whole fee upfront for the buy out and Roma were happy for the normal installments. 

 

Honestly would have been delighted with either

We targeted the two best keepers in the world. Irritatingly little to criticise the club about there.

[3 Stacks]

Anyway, I predict people will be disappointed with who we buy. We won't pay a massive premium given we already have 3 trusted CB's long term, plus we probably don't have much money. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Drawbridge up, fuck them all. Onwards. Onwards with fight and honour.

 

[aRdja]

Mings is a better centre half than Tarkowski.

[TheHowieLama]

Henderson is a better centre half than Tarkowski.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

Upamecano will be beyond us. Bayern will probably get him to replace Boateng and Alaba. There's no real obvious target anyway because Gomez and Matip, as much as they get injured, will be taken into consideration. Same for van Dijk obviously as he's the biggest investment we've ever made in a player. Even if they may "never be the same" after all their health problems.

 

Just can't see big investment. Tarkowski is as good as a solution as we'll find if he does indeed have a clause. That Kabak kid maybe as well, as he won't be too expensive.

There's another defender at Schalke04 who has been mentioned - Malick Thiaw.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Tarka is a better Otter.

[Lee909]

1 hour ago, Fluter in Dakota said:

There's another defender at Schalke04 who has been mentioned - Malick Thiaw.

No more experienced than Williams and Phillips

[El Dangerous]

6 hours ago, aRdja said:

Mings is a better centre half than Tarkowski.

As predictable as a Gomez or Matip injury.

[Pidge]

Mings has shown he was worth the fee Villa paid, he's not worth what they would want for him though.

[Barrington Womble]

21 hours ago, Lee909 said:

The risk of falling out the top 4 will be bigger than the risk of FSG loaning the club money for a CB in January. 

 

Not telling either player will ever be quiet the same either. Matip will be 30 before next season 

Fsg don't have to loan the club anything, the club would have no problem increasing their rolling credit facility. 

[SlugTrail]

14 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

Fsg don't have to loan the club anything, the club would have no problem increasing their rolling credit facility. 

Is correct, but do you see Klopp wanting to go out and buy, he always looks at the long term picture. If it is not a player we were always going to sign i think he will stick with what he has and try to make Phillips and Williams better players through training.

 

He likes people to acclimatise to his football and the demands it puts on you. It could take another player 6 to 8 weeks to get himself up to speed and Gomez might be back around that time.

[elvis]

1 hour ago, SlugTrail said:

Is correct, but do you see Klopp wanting to go out and buy, he always looks at the long term picture. If it is not a player we were always going to sign i think he will stick with what he has and try to make Phillips and Williams better players through training.

 

He likes people to acclimatise to his football and the demands it puts on you. It could take another player 6 to 8 weeks to get himself up to speed and Gomez might be back around that time.

I don't have I problem with Gomez , but he's far too brittle . Should definitely be looking to upgrade asap in my opinion , maybe keep as back up but no way is he going year after year as a regular. 

[Megadrive Man]

On 12/11/2020 at 23:28, aRdja said:

Mings is a better centre half than Tarkowski.

Mings Contract expires in 2024. Tarkowski's end in 2022 and he has rejected a new contract. Villa would want 70 million for Mings, Burnley would sell Tarkowski for around 35 million.

 

Baz Wom was right the other day when he said we could sign Tarkowski in January, then sell him on for the same sort of price in the summer if he didn't cut it here. 

[Barrington Womble]

47 minutes ago, SlugTrail said:

Is correct, but do you see Klopp wanting to go out and buy, he always looks at the long term picture. If it is not a player we were always going to sign i think he will stick with what he has and try to make Phillips and Williams better players through training.

 

He likes people to acclimatise to his football and the demands it puts on you. It could take another player 6 to 8 weeks to get himself up to speed and Gomez might be back around that time.

We won't be planning to use Gomez again this season, absolutely no chance. I'm not saying he mightn't get some minutes, but at this point we'll be planning without him. 

 

Klopp does often make do and mend, but he knows the demands this season will bring, he knows running over half a season with 1 injury prone centre back would be pretty much setting our expectations below winning things. Under the covid circumstances he might be good with that and so might fsg, but as we only have 3 senior centre backs anyway, I don't see why making a long term addition is a big issue anyway. Also, we try to patch centre back from midfield, but fabinho misses his share of games, as do henderson, keita and thiago. I've been saying for 18 months I'd happily get rid of 2 of lovren, Gomez and matip in return for a good robust centre back who can get on the pitch on a regular basis. I've not changed that point of view, so I'd happily take someone in January even if it meant sacrificing one of the crisp bags in the summer. 

 

The problem with all that is I don't see how we'll get any value (which fsg will absolutely insist on) unless there's either someone with a release clause, someone who's maybe on a bosman and we'd pay a fee for half a season or perhaps finally some club absolutely on the bones of their arse because of covid and desperate to raise some funds. 

[El Rojo]

Tarkowski, vanishing point. Tarkowski, vanishing point. 

[aws]

Chances are we were planning on buying a new CB next summer anyway so I think there's every chance we'll try and accelerate the process in Jan. If we can't buy one of the CBs we've probably already been targeting for a year or more then maybe we'll switch to a short-term fix but I think that'll be a last resort. 

The optimistic recovery time for major tendon surgery is 4-6 months so I can't see Joe back much before the CL final. 

[Barrington Womble]

This is a list of centre backs out of contract in 2021. This is the 1st page of 4, but I decided it was probably worth stopping at this point with names like Luiz, Rojo and Sokratis at the bottom of it. I'm assuming we'll be shooting above them. 

 

Age	Nat.	Current club	Market value	Rumours
David Alaba Centre-Back	28		Bayern Munich  Bundesliga	£58.50m	-
Eric García Centre-Back	19		Man City  Premier League	£18.00m	-
Nikola Maksimovic Centre-Back	28		SSC Napoli  Serie A	£16.20m	-
Sergio Ramos Centre-Back	34		Real Madrid  LaLiga	£12.60m	-
Fabian Schär Centre-Back	28		Newcastle  Premier League	£11.70m	-
Shkodran Mustafi Centre-Back	28		Arsenal  Premier League	£10.80m	-
Jérôme Boateng Centre-Back	32		Bayern Munich  Bundesliga	£10.80m	-
Romain Saïss Centre-Back	30		Wolves  Premier League	£9.00m	-
Aïssa Mandi Centre-Back	29		Real Betis  LaLiga	£9.00m	-
Nicolas N'Koulou Centre-Back	30		Torino  Serie A	£9.00m	-
Jonny Evans Centre-Back	32		Leicester  Premier League	£9.00m	-
Mamadou Sakho Centre-Back	30		Crystal Palace  Premier League	£8.55m	-
Mykola Matvienko Centre-Back	24		Shakhtar D.  Premier Liga	£8.10m	-
Fabián Balbuena Centre-Back	29		West Ham  Premier League	£7.20m	-
Pablo Centre-Back	29		G. Bordeaux  Ligue 1	£7.20m	-
Steve Cook Centre-Back	29		Bournemouth  Championship	£6.30m	-
Mateo Musacchio Centre-Back	30		AC Milan  Serie A	£6.30m	-
Sven Bender Centre-Back	31		Bay. Leverkusen  Bundesliga	£6.30m	-
Luis Abram Centre-Back	24		Vélez Sarsfield  Argentina	£6.12m	-
Andrea Cistana   Centre-Back	23		Brescia  Serie B	£5.40m	-
Marcos Rojo Centre-Back	30		Man Utd  Premier League	£5.40m	-
Pedro Mendes Centre-Back	30		Montpellier  Ligue 1	£5.40m	-
David Luiz Centre-Back	33		Arsenal  Premier League	£5.40m	-
Sokratis Centre-Back	32		Arsenal  Premier League	£5.40m	-
Christian Kabasele Centre-Back	29		Watford  Championship	£4.95m

[The Golden Eel]

26 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

This is a list of centre backs out of contract in 2021. This is the 1st page of 4, but I decided it was probably worth stopping at this point with names like Luiz, Rojo and Sokratis at the bottom of it. I'm assuming we'll be shooting above them. 

 

Age	Nat.	Current club	Market value	Rumours
David Alaba Centre-Back	28		Bayern Munich  Bundesliga	£58.50m	-
Eric García Centre-Back	19		Man City  Premier League	£18.00m	-
Nikola Maksimovic Centre-Back	28		SSC Napoli  Serie A	£16.20m	-
Sergio Ramos Centre-Back	34		Real Madrid  LaLiga	£12.60m	-
Fabian Schär Centre-Back	28		Newcastle  Premier League	£11.70m	-
Shkodran Mustafi Centre-Back	28		Arsenal  Premier League	£10.80m	-
Jérôme Boateng Centre-Back	32		Bayern Munich  Bundesliga	£10.80m	-
Romain Saïss Centre-Back	30		Wolves  Premier League	£9.00m	-
Aïssa Mandi Centre-Back	29		Real Betis  LaLiga	£9.00m	-
Nicolas N'Koulou Centre-Back	30		Torino  Serie A	£9.00m	-
Jonny Evans Centre-Back	32		Leicester  Premier League	£9.00m	-
Mamadou Sakho Centre-Back	30		Crystal Palace  Premier League	£8.55m	-
Mykola Matvienko Centre-Back	24		Shakhtar D.  Premier Liga	£8.10m	-
Fabián Balbuena Centre-Back	29		West Ham  Premier League	£7.20m	-
Pablo Centre-Back	29		G. Bordeaux  Ligue 1	£7.20m	-
Steve Cook Centre-Back	29		Bournemouth  Championship	£6.30m	-
Mateo Musacchio Centre-Back	30		AC Milan  Serie A	£6.30m	-
Sven Bender Centre-Back	31		Bay. Leverkusen  Bundesliga	£6.30m	-
Luis Abram Centre-Back	24		Vélez Sarsfield  Argentina	£6.12m	-
Andrea Cistana   Centre-Back	23		Brescia  Serie B	£5.40m	-
Marcos Rojo Centre-Back	30		Man Utd  Premier League	£5.40m	-
Pedro Mendes Centre-Back	30		Montpellier  Ligue 1	£5.40m	-
David Luiz Centre-Back	33		Arsenal  Premier League	£5.40m	-
Sokratis Centre-Back	32		Arsenal  Premier League	£5.40m	-
Christian Kabasele Centre-Back	29		Watford  Championship	£4.95m

Sign them all 

[No2]

32 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

This is a list of centre backs out of contract in 2021. This is the 1st page of 4, but I decided it was probably worth stopping at this point with names like Luiz, Rojo and Sokratis at the bottom of it. I'm assuming we'll be shooting above them. 

 

Age	Nat.	Current club	Market value	Rumours
David Alaba Centre-Back	28		Bayern Munich  Bundesliga	£58.50m	-
Eric García Centre-Back	19		Man City  Premier League	£18.00m	-
Nikola Maksimovic Centre-Back	28		SSC Napoli  Serie A	£16.20m	-
Sergio Ramos Centre-Back	34		Real Madrid  LaLiga	£12.60m	-
Fabian Schär Centre-Back	28		Newcastle  Premier League	£11.70m	-
Shkodran Mustafi Centre-Back	28		Arsenal  Premier League	£10.80m	-
Jérôme Boateng Centre-Back	32		Bayern Munich  Bundesliga	£10.80m	-
Romain Saïss Centre-Back	30		Wolves  Premier League	£9.00m	-
Aïssa Mandi Centre-Back	29		Real Betis  LaLiga	£9.00m	-
Nicolas N'Koulou Centre-Back	30		Torino  Serie A	£9.00m	-
Jonny Evans Centre-Back	32		Leicester  Premier League	£9.00m	-
Mamadou Sakho Centre-Back	30		Crystal Palace  Premier League	£8.55m	-
Mykola Matvienko Centre-Back	24		Shakhtar D.  Premier Liga	£8.10m	-
Fabián Balbuena Centre-Back	29		West Ham  Premier League	£7.20m	-
Pablo Centre-Back	29		G. Bordeaux  Ligue 1	£7.20m	-
Steve Cook Centre-Back	29		Bournemouth  Championship	£6.30m	-
Mateo Musacchio Centre-Back	30		AC Milan  Serie A	£6.30m	-
Sven Bender Centre-Back	31		Bay. Leverkusen  Bundesliga	£6.30m	-
Luis Abram Centre-Back	24		Vélez Sarsfield  Argentina	£6.12m	-
Andrea Cistana   Centre-Back	23		Brescia  Serie B	£5.40m	-
Marcos Rojo Centre-Back	30		Man Utd  Premier League	£5.40m	-
Pedro Mendes Centre-Back	30		Montpellier  Ligue 1	£5.40m	-
David Luiz Centre-Back	33		Arsenal  Premier League	£5.40m	-
Sokratis Centre-Back	32		Arsenal  Premier League	£5.40m	-
Christian Kabasele Centre-Back	29		Watford  Championship	£4.95m

Didn't know Ramos was so old. I could see him at Chelsea replacing Silva. 

[Megadrive Man]

In all honesty I've given up trying to predict who we are going to sign now at it's all data driven, so it will probably be somebody I never would have predicted. 

 

Could anybody on here have predicted we'd have signed Thiago, Diogo Jota or Tsimikas towards the back end of last season?

[3 Stacks]

5 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

In all honesty I've given up trying to predict who we are going to sign now at it's all data driven, so it will probably be somebody I never would have predicted. 

 

Could anybody on here have predicted we'd have signed Thiago, Diogo Jota or Tsimikas towards the back end of last season?

Yeah, most of the players that are earmarked by Pearce et al. ahead of time are never the players we end up getting. 

[Barrington Womble]

12 minutes ago, No2 said:

Didn't know Ramos was so old. I could see him at Chelsea replacing Silva. 

Yeah, I think that's a good shout.

[aws]

20 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

In all honesty I've given up trying to predict who we are going to sign now at it's all data driven, so it will probably be somebody I never would have predicted. 

 

Could anybody on here have predicted we'd have signed Thiago, Diogo Jota or Tsimikas towards the back end of last season?

All as predicted on the MF. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, MegadriveMan said:

In all honesty I've given up trying to predict who we are going to sign now at it's all data driven, so it will probably be somebody I never would have predicted. 

 

Could anybody on here have predicted we'd have signed Thiago, Diogo Jota or Tsimikas towards the back end of last season?

I'm beginning to wonder if @El Rojo doesn't predict what happens - he makes it happen.