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Is it time to start to question what's really happening?


Bruce Spanner
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39 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Vlad, I like you brother, but that's some really stoopid shit.

Why? The decision to side with Republican led USA in a war to protect their own interests is exactly what a tory government would do and not a Labour government. Allowing privatisation to flourish is yet another tory policy which was allowed to continue unabated. He was a fuckin tory and it truly was,in many instances,to separate him from a tory Prime Minister. You may think its stupid but its all about opinions. He's a cunt and stained the Labour Party in a lot of people's eyes.

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15 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Why? The decision to side with Republican led USA in a war to protect their own interests is exactly what a tory government would do and not a Labour government. Allowing privatisation to flourish is yet another tory policy which was allowed to continue unabated. He was a fuckin tory and it truly was,in many instances,to separate him from a tory Prime Minister. You may think its stupid but its all about opinions. He's a cunt and stained the Labour Party in a lot of people's eyes.

 

That wasn't the point you were making 'He was first Labour Prime Minister that allowed the British public to think 'they're all the same'' was the point, no?

 

What is wrong with that, isn't that the exact definition of socialism?

 

We could talk long in to the night about Blair's faults, but he's the last 'Labour' PM and it's been a long fucking time of screaming in to the void with everything that has come since, not excusing the Brown/Lib Dems clusterfuck.

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2 hours ago, littletedwest said:

Imagine in 1997 that John major would be a wise old head, Kenneth Clarke would lose the tory whip. Even Michael Howard is condemning this move.

Or in the space of a day three previous leaders of the Tory party, Major, Howard and May would put the boot right into a sitting Tory prime minister for breaking a legal agreement. 

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9 hours ago, Fluter in Dakota said:

I got a letter last week saying that it looks like I am not registered at my address for voting. I had two weeks to change that if I wanted to be able to vote.

 

Only a week to go and I will be FREE!!!!

If you can't be arsed to vote, don't complain but the truckload of ordure that's about to drop on you

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On 10/09/2020 at 20:41, Rico1304 said:

It’s happening again.  Do you even know how Parliament works?  Parliament can’t bind a future Parliament.  Over the last 4 years when you’ve been gloating about being free of the EU this is what you’ve enabled. If I could be arsed to search would I find a post where you moan about the EU courts?  The leash is off, they can do what the fuck they want. 

In brief terms Parliamentary Sovereignty is not self-embracing

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7 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Or in the space of a day three previous leaders of the Tory party, Major, Howard and May would put the boot right into a sitting Tory prime minister for breaking a legal agreement. 

And imagine a day when despite the criticism of the previous Tory leaders the current incumbent of the post would give not a single fuck. 

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47 minutes ago, Evelyn Tentions said:

If you can't be arsed to vote, don't complain but the truckload of ordure that's about to drop on you

I only complain about the shit that happens to other people - the people probably who voted for the people who are dropping said ordure, along with the perhaps more unfortunate ones who voted for someone else. (ordure - I like that word, I will remember it). My personal opinion is a non-vote is a vote - you're all cunts so I'm voting for none of you until someone who isn't a cunt becomes an option. I wish there were an option for 'none of you' to make a vote invalid if there are more that say 'none of you' than 'one of you'

 

The only non-vote I regret (and it's possible lots of people could be in the same boat) was not voting in Brexit. When you don't vote, that's not a default 'no' or a default 'yes'. Perhaps if I (who didn't vote) did vote 'No' when that would have probably been the sensible option, the 'Yes' vote would have been the same number but the 'No' number probably would have been a lot higher.

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5 minutes ago, Evelyn Tentions said:

The time to start questioning what's really happening was the late 70s when Reagan and Thatcher (hawk, spit) first raised their ugly heads

Yep privatisation was/is the enemy. Taking the nations assets and selling them cost price to a handful of wealthy individuals. Thatcher and Reagan were the main players.

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Great stuff from Marina Hyde- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/11/tories-trick-cock-up-dominic-cummings

 

They'e kleptocrats, but they're fucking useless too.

 



The Tories' biggest trick? Convincing the world they have a cunning plan
Marina Hyde

As the cock-ups continue to pile up, some people bizarrely still seem to think it’s all part of an ingenious strategy
 ‘Cummings seems to suffer from a sort of inverse dysmorphia, looking in the mirror and seeing the next Steve Jobs.’ Photograph: Luke Dray/Getty Images
Another dignified week for Boris Johnson’s administration, which now wishes to override its own Brexit deal by claiming not to have understood what it was signing when it signed it. Traditionally, this excuse is used by people who’ve just been subject to 72 hours of police beating; or by the harmless local weirdo who’s been tricked into confessing to a highly complex sex murder; or by the children of 96-year-old petrochemical tycoons who’ve left the entire family estate to a teenage stripper.

It is now being used by the British government’s alleged mastermind, Dominic Cummings, and by its sheepdog mascot, Johnson, who no longer even looks housebroken. Meanwhile, the same government would like you to believe that it would be notionally capable of pulling off the most sophisticated testing programme on the entire planet. This is the so-called Operation Moonshot, which would see Matt Hancock – literally Matt Hancock – preside over a hyperfunctional system for carrying out 10 million coronavirus tests a day using technology that hasn’t yet been invented. Leaked Whitehall papers estimate the cost at £100bn.

 The government is surrounded by enablers, from imbecilic MPs to panting journalists who reckon it’s a game of 4D chess
This week, Hancock announced he’d already spent £500m on the plan, leaving us just £99.5bn (NINETY NINE POINT FIVE BILLION POUNDS) short of a moonshot. Which feels less of a space rocket, and more of a reminder not to approach the firework when it doesn’t go off.

For some people it will always be too soon to call this one, but are we near the point at which we can conclude that Dominic Cummings is the Samantha Brick of statecraft? I wonder if you were ever familiar with Samantha. A few years ago, this previously obscure journalist torched the internet with a Daily Mail article so provocatively ludicrous that it would ultimately land her a slot on Celebrity Big Brother. As the headline put it: “There are downsides to looking this pretty: why women hate me for being beautiful”. The accompanying picture, of a perfectly ordinary 41-year-old woman, marked Samantha out as something of a Florence Foster Jenkins type: convinced of truly exceptional gifts where merely a lack of them lay.
And so with Cummings’ record in government. He seems to suffer from a sort of inverse dysmorphia. Instead of looking in the mirror and seeing the reality of the latest clusterfuck staring back, he sees a Steve Jobs or a Warren Buffett, or even a guy who remembers that the label is meant to go on the inside of his pants. As recently as January, Cummings was claiming there are “trillion dollar bills lying on the street” if you just knew how to run government properly. Has he found one yet? I bet you a trillion dollars he never does.

This week he was trillioning again, writing to the Department of Culture to inform them that the government wants to build trillion-dollar tech companies in the UK. And I want a Covid test closer than 300 miles away, but we’re all having to make our peace with stuff, aren’t we.

It’s not clear whether people like Cummings have best friends. One’s instinct is not, but if they did it would be very much the duty of that individual to look Dom in the eye and say: “Mate, with the best will in the world, what on EARTH about the last six months makes you think you can build the next Apple?”

Instead, the government is surrounded by enablers of its delusions, from imbecilic Tory MPs to panting journalists who still reckon it’s all some brilliant game of 4D chess, underpinned by a winning strategy as yet invisible to the plebeian eye.

No matter how much of a 360-degree shitshow the government’s handling of the pandemic or its own Brexit process has been, there are people even now claiming that every cock-up or exploding gambit is a genius tactic by our wisers and betters, brilliantly designed to achieve a very specific aim. I guess it makes these cheerleader analysts feel clever. Or to put it another way: every Rorschach blot looks like a fanny if that’s what you’re after.

Even when an individual as artless as Brandon Lewis stands up in the Commons and explains that the government is going to break international law, you won’t struggle to find someone going: “So clever. You wait and see.” Well, I’ll stick the kettle on, but can’t help feeling that Brandon is a somewhat miscast Lex Luthor. So far this move has sparked a showdown with: many of the government’s most loyal supporters; the people they’re supposed to be negotiating with; the America they say they want a trade deal off; several ambassadors; the grandees in the House of Lords who they’ll need to pass the lawbreaking law; the people, politicians and businesses of Northern Ireland; the chairs of multiple constituency parties; two separate factions in their own parliamentary party who were hitherto causing them no trouble; and many others.

The line that always gets wheeled out about master strategists is the famous one of the 19th-century Austrian diplomat Klemens von Metternich, whose attributed comment upon learning of the death of his great French sparring partner Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand was: “I wonder what he meant by that?” Let’s see it in action with our own overlords. Ooh, I’m a single mother in Bristol who needs a coronavirus test for my high-temperature child and I’ve just been offered one in Dundee – I wonder what they meant by that? Ooh, they had five months’ warning that students wouldn’t be sitting their exams but they still completely ballsed it up, making a generation of imminent voters loathe them even more than they were already going to – I wonder what they meant by that?

And so on and so on, all the way to: ooh, despite having miles more warning than anyone else, the government not only tanked the economy worse than anyone but also notched up the highest death toll in Europe – I WONDER WHAT THEY EFFING MEANT BY THAT?

There’s such a fine line, isn’t there, between statecraft and the-absolute-state-of-it craft. Still, no doubt all will become triumphantly clear in the fullness. In the meantime, do admire the emperor’s new tracksuit.

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1 hour ago, Mudface said:

Great stuff from Marina Hyde- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/11/tories-trick-cock-up-dominic-cummings

 

They'e kleptocrats, but they're fucking useless too.

 

 

 

Some absolute dingers here from Hyde

 

"It is now being used by the British government’s alleged mastermind, Dominic Cummings, and by its sheepdog mascot, Johnson, who no longer even looks housebroken"

 

"Or to put it another way: every Rorschach blot looks like a fanny if that’s what you’re after"

 

But best of all is this pearler

"literally Matt Hancock"

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2 minutes ago, Razoray said:

Some absolute dingers here from Hyde

 

"It is now being used by the British government’s alleged mastermind, Dominic Cummings, and by its sheepdog mascot, Johnson, who no longer even looks housebroken"

 

"Or to put it another way: every Rorschach blot looks like a fanny if that’s what you’re after"

 

But best of all is this pearler

"literally Matt Hancock"

I love her.

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6 hours ago, Mudface said:

I love her.

It does not surprise me you do because youre a cunt and so is she.

 

Hyde did all she could to prevent a Corbyn government by tarnishing the man with false claims of anti semitism  and along with the other mainstream writers from the guardian. shes an utter low life fraud of a journalist. She jumped into the Corbyn anti semitism bollocks because she and the rest of the cunts at the guardian were/are afraid of socialism and smeared a man they thought might deliver it.

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1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

It does not surprise me you do because youre a cunt and so is she.

 

Hyde did all she could to prevent a Corbyn government by tarnishing the man with false claims of anti semitism  and along with the other mainstream writers from the guardian. shes an utter low life fraud of a journalist. She jumped into the Corbyn anti semitism bollocks because she and the rest of the cunts at the guardian were/are afraid of socialism and smeared a man they thought might deliver it.


You are remarkably stupid, genuinely it’s quite a sight to behold such wilful ignorance.

 

Say something else stupid, go on. 

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On 10/09/2020 at 22:31, No2 said:

What doesn't make sense is the system is built to serve them. For hundreds of years the elite have controlled the country for their gain, keeping the ordinary man in their lane. They appear to be aiming for anarchy which could result in Rees Mogg and his mates being ran out of their great great granddaddies estates by pitch forks.

 

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11 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Ok. You are not a cunt.


Very good, I’ll remember that one next time I need a really pathetic come back, cheers.

 

Anyhow’s here’s the editorial letter of support from the Guardian, Marina Hyde’s employers, in full support of Jeremy Corbyn before the 2017 election. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/ng-interactive/2017/jun/02/the-guardian-view-on-our-vote-its-labour


Kinda disproves your original argument, wouldn’t you agree?

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9 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:


Very good, I’ll remember that one next time I need a really pathetic come back, cheers.

 

Anyhow’s here’s the editorial letter of support from the Guardian, Marina Hyde’s employers, in full support of Jeremy Corbyn before the 2017 election. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/ng-interactive/2017/jun/02/the-guardian-view-on-our-vote-its-labour


Kinda disproves your original argument, wouldn’t you agree?

Thats 2017. You must have missed the last election. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/05/scrub-antisemitism-out-of-labour-corbyn-wont-even-clean-his-own-house

 

She is part of the reason we have a massive tory majority.  Fools like you Mudcunt, Numerous and others can ignore it till the cows come home but the guardian and people like Hyde buried Corbyn as soon as they thought he might win. 

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12 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Thats 2017. You must have missed the last election. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/05/scrub-antisemitism-out-of-labour-corbyn-wont-even-clean-his-own-house

 

She is part of the reason we have a massive tory majority.  Fools like you Mudcunt, Numerous and others can ignore it till the cows come home but the guardian and people like Hyde buried Corbyn as soon as they thought he might win. 


Quite clearly mad.

 

He wasn’t the messiah. He was a deeply flawed, but principled man who offered the hope of change which enough people in the country didn’t vote for, or choose.

 

I repeat, I worked on his campaigns in 2017 & 2019 and the difference between was two was stark. Almost like he, and his people had started to believe their own hype. It became toxic. That’s where the reaction comes from, one leads the other and if you had any powers of reflection you’d be able to take yourself out of your ideological framework, I’m crediting you too much by assuming you have one, and look around and try and understand why it failed.
 

It was the fault of the campaign, not the press, not the Tories, not the other parties, it was the campaigns fault for the perception they allowed to seep out. It was fucking terrible and, in all honesty, patronising to the lay voter.

 

And, yes, his handling of antisemitism was fucking appalling, he didn’t need any help making that look worse.

 

The article you posted still supported labour by the way, perhaps read it properly first.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Thats 2017. You must have missed the last election. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/05/scrub-antisemitism-out-of-labour-corbyn-wont-even-clean-his-own-house

 

She is part of the reason we have a massive tory majority.  Fools like you Mudcunt, Numerous and others can ignore it till the cows come home but the guardian and people like Hyde buried Corbyn as soon as they thought he might win. 

Corbyn is the biggest reason we have a Tory majority. 

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