British Band Tournament - Last 16 - Led Zeppelin vs The Kinks

[SasaS]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

Why is it illegal for an adult to have sex with an under 16? Why did a female get sent down for child abuse after having sex with a 15 year old boy yesterday? 

 

 

Because the society in which it happened thinks proper consent cannot be given at that age. This is not the same as having sex with prepubescent children. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

Because the society in which it happened thinks proper consent cannot be given at that age. This is not the same as having sex with prepubescent children. 

Its child abuse. 

[Gnasher]

Off topic and I dont want to derail the thread but I've got a problem enjoying things I took for granted because recent events have awakened my moral compass.

 

I've said many times how much I detest slavery and it's horrors have hit the headlines in recent months but ive now learned the biggest slave trader of all was the Roman emperor Ceazer. I admit to previously enjoying the odd Ceazer salad but no more, not after reading the book by Britains most celebrated historian Danny Dyer, 'My family tree, Europes baddest bad boys" forward by Leslie Grantham,  which Dyer describes his old ancestor as " me ol uncle Ceazer could be a very very naughty gezzer" before detailing how his uncle went through peoples manors "like a feckinng rashh".

 

Begs the question what stupid cunt called a salad after a tyrant?

[SasaS]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Off topic and I dont want to derail the thread but I've got a problem enjoying things I took for granted because recent events have awakened my moral compass.

 

I've said many times how much I detest slavery and it's horrors have hit the headlines in recent months but ive now learned the biggest slave trader of all was the Roman emperor Ceazer. I admit to previously enjoying the odd Ceazer salad but no more, not after reading the book by Britains most celebrated historian Danny Dyer, 'My family tree, Europes baddest bad boys" forward by Leslie Grantham,  which Dyer describes his old ancestor as " me ol uncle Ceazer could be a very very naughty gezzer" before detailing how his uncle went through peoples manors "like a feckinng rashh".

 

Begs the question what stupid cunt called a salad after a tyrant?

It's not called after him.

[TheHowieLama]

It would be difficult for it to be as his name isn't Ceazer.

 

The fellas that built the pyramids - did they pop out of bed each morning, have a nice cuppa as the wife packed their lunch and off they went whistling a happy tune?

[TheHowieLama]

9 minutes ago, SasaS said:

It's not called after him.

Can still buy Cardinis bottled dressing here - good stuff.

[aws]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

It would be difficult for it to be as his name isn't Ceazer.

 

The fellas that built the pyramids - did they pop out of bed each morning, have a nice cuppa as the wife packed their lunch and off they went whistling a happy tune?

Just the very little ones. 

[cloggypop]

5 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

It would be difficult for it to be as his name isn't Ceazer.

 

The fellas that built the pyramids - did they pop out of bed each morning, have a nice cuppa as the wife packed their lunch and off they went whistling a happy tune?

Quite possibly, yeah. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

[Gnasher]

15 minutes ago, SasaS said:

It's not called after him.

Oh good I can eat it again now.

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Quite possibly, yeah. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

Good to know, was thinking about cancelling Salah tbh

[Gnasher]

15 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Can still buy Cardinis bottled dressing here - good stuff.

Fucking Mexicans involved now

 

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/where-was-the-caesar-salad-invented_n_6839542

[Gnasher]

26 minutes ago, SasaS said:

It's not called after him.

Well bowl me over, fountain of knowledge you.

[SasaS]

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well bowl me over, fountain of knowledge you.

A proper raconteur sticks to one repartee per comment. 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

A proper raconteur sticks to one repartee per comment. 

Furry muff

[dirk grout]

1 hour ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I don't think there is a distinction between "children" and "underage girls". In law, 14 year olds are children and are below the age of consent. If Jimmy page or Bill Wyman had committed the same crimes today they would be on D wing as sex offenders albeit with a great back catalogue which is all that distinguishes them from Gary Glitter. 

A 17 year old is a child in the eyes of the law

[Bjornebye]

17 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Furry muff

Or not... 

[SasaS]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Or not... 

 

Nonce.

[markcd]

When Jimmy Page was 28, he was (allegedly) dating the 14 year old Lori Mattix.

 

I have a daughter who is nearly 14, and if I found out that a 28 year old was 'dating' her, I wouldn't need to think about physical vs mental maturity, I would stab the cunt.

[PestiRed]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

There is a distinction. Underage girls are legally children, but they are mostly sexually mature. The society makes a distinction between physical and mental sexual maturity, and than decides on the age where this difference is no longer seen to exist. This differs from society to society, country to country, subject to various factors. If you are sexually attracted to a prepubescent girl, you are a pedophile, regardless of the fact if you act on it or not. If you are sexually attracted to a sexually mature underage girl, you are in most cases a normal heterosexual male, but if you act on it, the problems begin (ability to give consent is questionable, manipulation, inequality etc.). Age of consent is different in various European countries, because this as always a matter of debate, where the line is, and it depends on various factors, specific to a particular society. Having sex with a 15 year old girl is a crime in the UK, but it is legal in France and many other European countries. On the other hand, having sex with a prepubescent girl, age 9, 10, 11 is illegal anywhere and is not a matter of debate (where the line is).
(First) Line is drawn at physical  sexual maturity, the second line is drawn where society thinks mental maturity is still not catching up with physical maturity. This is the difference and this is why there is a distinction.

 

 
Do we have a nonce thread?

BTW I am always flabbergasted how people don't see this distinction and prefer to point the finger and hysterically scream nonce. 
 

There’s legal and there’s morally acceptable. As you say, Jimmy Page’s 14 year old would be legal in many countries including here, Germany and Italy providing he wasn’t judged to be in a position of trust such as a teacher. The justification for the age being lower is so that you don’t have to keep prosecuting 16 year olds. However that wouldn’t stop him being basically excluded from most circles of society, prevent him from getting a decent job if potential employers were aware and the police turning a blind eye if the father chose to knock lumps out of him. As other have said, rock stars of the past seem to get treated differently on this matter

 

 

[Mook]

11 minutes ago, markcd said:

When Jimmy Page was 28, he was (allegedly) dating the 14 year old Lori Mattix.

 

I have a daughter who is nearly 14, and if I found out that a 28 year old was 'dating' her, I wouldn't need to think about physical vs mental maturity, I would stab the cunt.

Her mother apparently encouraged her on to the LA groupie scene where she was thereafter a willing participant with a number of famous musicians.

 

If you ever find yourself in that situation  you might want to have a word with your missus before getting the blade out.

[cloggypop]

15 minutes ago, markcd said:

When Jimmy Page was 28, he was (allegedly) dating the 14 year old Lori Mattix.

 

I have a daughter who is nearly 14, and if I found out that a 28 year old was 'dating' her, I wouldn't need to think about physical vs mental maturity, I would stab the cunt.

Even if he kidnapped her romantically?

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Mook said:

Her mother apparently encouraged her on to the LA groupie scene where she was thereafter a willing participant with a number of famous musicians.

 

If you ever find yourself in that situation  you might want to have a word with your missus before getting the blade out.

Many of the groupies of that day were celebrities in their own right.

[Gnasher]

Stigs caused fucking chaos here, it's supposed to be a bit of fun for the wonderful world of entertainment,  like opportunity knocks was but stigs no hughie green and I mean that most sincerely folks.

[SasaS]

13 minutes ago, PestiRed said:

There’s legal and there’s morally acceptable. As you say, Jimmy Page’s 14 year old would be legal in many countries including here, Germany and Italy providing he wasn’t judged to be in a position of trust such as a teacher. The justification for the age being lower is so that you don’t have to keep prosecuting 16 year olds. However that wouldn’t stop him being basically excluded from most circles of society, prevent him from getting a decent job if potential employers were aware and the police turning a blind eye if the father chose to knock lumps out of him. As other have said, rock stars of the past seem to get treated differently on this matter

 

 

 Maybe that should be the clue?

[markcd]

27 minutes ago, Mook said:

Her mother apparently encouraged her on to the LA groupie scene where she was thereafter a willing participant with a number of famous musicians.

 

If you ever find yourself in that situation  you might want to have a word with your missus before getting the blade out.

 

The fact she was failed by her mum doesn't excuse other people's actions - and I guess it comes down to whether you think a 14 year old can be a "willing participant" or not.