British Band Tournament - Round 2. New Order vs Black Sabbath

[Bruce Spanner]

19 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

I'm not convinced by this.  Blues rock in the late Sixties was getting heavier with or without Sabbath. 

I don’t doubt there’s some revisionism going on, but bands were going ‘heavier’ in the psychedelic sense, deeper groves, repetition etc 
 

Sabbath were the first group to go heavy, power chords, down tuned guitars, occultism, chugging and down right doom. They spawned dozens of subgenres, all of which trace their identity and sound back to some part of Sabbath.
 

They really are seminal in the grand scheme of things.

[Pidge]

30 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

You post like a man that has never heard Power, Corruption & Lies or Low-Life. 

Prob not in whole, no. I like New Order though, was just kidding in reaction to that FT headline (good natured, honest).

 

Doesn't help I associate that song with Alex James types for some reason (just looked it up, he named a fucking cheese after it...).

 

Edit: giving PC&L a listen now, just finished Master of Reality (class) so why not. After that might skip from Hell's Bells to You Shook Me All Night Long before finding something else to do.

[Code]

24 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

vigilantes 

Vigilante you say.
 

 

[SasaS]

11 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

I don’t doubt there’s some revisionism going on, but bands were going ‘heavier’ in the psychedelic sense, deeper groves, repetition etc 
 

Sabbath were the first group to go heavy, power chords, down tuned guitars, occultism, chugging and down right doom. They spawned dozens of subgenres, all of which trace their identity and sound back to some part of Sabbath.
 

They really are seminal in the grand scheme of things.

Didn't Zeppelin did all that before Sabbath?

[cloggypop]

2 minutes ago, Code said:

Vigilante you say.
 

 

Ha ha! That's fucking terrible! 

[Bruce Spanner]

7 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Didn't Zeppelin did all that before Sabbath?

Zeppelin are a heavy rock group, Sabbath are a metal band.
 

Where I mentioned about the psycadelic pivot before, that’s where they fork. Iommi has to play power chords as his fingers were fucked, that’s where the sound comes from.

 

Also, Sabbath wrote all their own material...

[Bruce Spanner]

[cloggypop]

Sabbath can't be metal because I like them and all metal is fucking wank. Whoever made that metal family tree can fuck right off as well with trying to claim The Stooges and MC5. 

[Tony Moanero]

1 hour ago, Pidge said:

What's everyone's top five New Order tracks?

 

Apart from three different versions of Blue Monday, true faith and a Joy Division song?

Off the top of my head, in no particular order.

 

Bizarre Love Triangle

1963

Temptation

Age of Consent

The Perfect Kiss

 

[Bruce Spanner]

3 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Sabbath can't be metal because I like them and all metal is fucking wank. Whoever made that metal family tree can fuck right off as well with trying to claim The Stooges and MC5. 

Sabbath are metal! 
 

I agree the charts iffy, but it’s a decent overview.

[cloggypop]

Just now, Bruce Spanner said:

Sabbath are metal! 
 

I agree the charts iffy, but it’s a decent overview

Impossible. They can't be. I like them. 

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Sabbath can't be metal because I like them and all metal is fucking wank. Whoever made that metal family tree can fuck right off as well with trying to claim The Stooges and MC5. 

I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing by Aerosmith is the best metal song ever ..... 

 

Seriously about a third at least of the bands on there aren't metal. 

[Bruce Spanner]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing by Aerosmith is the best metal song ever ..... 

 

Seriously about a third at least of the bands on there aren't metal. 

You ever listen to early Aerosmith before they had drug dealers to pay?

 

Edit: you’re both right, shit table.

[Red_or_Dead]

Genuine question as I'm not into hard rock/heavy metal, which bands have Black Sabbath influenced?

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Red_or_Dead said:

Genuine question as I'm not into hard rock/heavy metal, which bands have Black Sabbath influenced?

The Magic Numbers. 

[cloggypop]

5 minutes ago, Red_or_Dead said:

Genuine question as I'm not into hard rock/heavy metal, which bands have Black Sabbath influenced?

Bad News and Spinal Tap

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Bad Manners and Steps

.

[Pidge]

8 minutes ago, Red_or_Dead said:

Genuine question as I'm not into hard rock/heavy metal, which bands have Black Sabbath influenced?

The Kardashians.

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Red_or_Dead said:

Genuine question as I'm not into hard rock/heavy metal, which bands have Black Sabbath influenced?

Pretty decent, but in no way exhaustive list...

 

https://www.gigwise.com/photos/102631/bands-that-are-influenced-by-black-sabbath-metallica-iron-maiden

 

This doesn’t go in to Doom, Death, Stoner and numerous others that have a direct link to Sabbath.

 

It’s a world most don’t care for, but fuck the world. 

[Mudface]

Looks like Sabbath are responsible for some utter atrocities. Bastards.

[Bruce Spanner]

I’ve been on this forum for twelve years and I’ve never felt more like I knew you all less.

[cloggypop]

15 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Pretty decent, but in no way exhaustive list...

 

https://www.gigwise.com/photos/102631/bands-that-are-influenced-by-black-sabbath-metallica-iron-maiden

 

This doesn’t go in to Doom, Death, Stoner and numerous others that have a direct link to Sabbath.

 

It’s a world most don’t care for, but fuck the world. 

The only decent one mentioned is Black Flag and they aren't metal. 

[Bruce Spanner]

Just now, cloggypop said:

The only decent one mentioned is Black Flag and they aren't metal. 

You don’t like Kyuss? 
 

Mad, you build people up in your mind and then this.

[cloggypop]

Just now, Bruce Spanner said:

You don’t like Kyuss? 
 

Mad.

Stoner rock isn't my thing at all. 

[Bruce Spanner]

Just now, cloggypop said:

Stoner rock isn't my thing at all. 

And you live in the Netherlands? 
 

Even madder.