British Band Tournament - Round 2. The Fall vs Oasis

[mgw100]

6 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I am familiar with them but they are not really big here by any stretch. Bands like Black Flag, Bad Brains, Minor Threat were all from the same time period.

Are they not known in the UK?

They are well known within a limited demographic. Not commercially successful really. 

[Pidge]

23 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I am familiar with them but they are not really big here by any stretch. Bands like Black Flag, Bad Brains, Minor Threat were all from the same time period.

Are they not known in the UK?

Prefer all of those to The Fall, personally.

[johnsusername]

I don't really listen to them anymore, but those first two Oasis albums are seared into my memory banks. Every word, every chord (all two of them chortle!). 

 

And when they were on that run of singles and great b sides - every release was a big deal. 

 

Be Here Now gets a rough ride but I absolutely love half the songs on it. They're totally overblown, but so what? At least they waited til their third album unlike the Stone Roses who barely had enough tunes to fill their second album. "What next John? Another three minute guitar solo?"

 

But, after that I've never listened to anything Oasis have done. As soon as they started changing members I lost interest. 

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

I don't really listen to them anymore, but those first two Oasis albums are seared into my memory banks. Every word, every chord (all two of them chortle!). 

 

And when they were on that run of singles and great b sides - every release was a big deal. 

 

Be Here Now gets a rough ride but I absolutely love half the songs on it. They're totally overblown, but so what? At least they waited til their third album unlike the Stone Roses who barely had enough tunes to fill their second album. "What next John? Another three minute guitar solo?"

 

But, after that I've never listened to anything Oasis have done. As soon as they started changing members I lost interest. 

Cocaine and chords 

[cloggypop]

2 hours ago, SasaS said:

They are huge in Leiden.

I know people here with more Fall albums than me. 

[cloggypop]

2 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

I am familiar with them but they are not really big here by any stretch. Bands like Black Flag, Bad Brains, Minor Threat were all from the same time period.

Are they not known in the UK?

Well I love all of them but I doubt Stig has much. 

[TheHowieLama]

31 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Well I love all of them but I doubt Stig has much. 

I wouldn't suggest bands of that "level" be included, they are good mind you but really have more of an underground/cult appeal - I dont think any of them would be in a US64.

Maybe Black Flag.

[SasaS]

Since you mentioned Black Flag, I'd say The Fall in the UK and some of Europe would be more like Henry Rollins in the US at the height of his popularity, but in a much longer period.

[cloggypop]

33 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I wouldn't suggest bands of that "level" be included, they are good mind you but really have more of an underground/cult appeal - I dont think any of them would be in a US64.

Maybe Black Flag.

What about Minutemen? Hüsker Dü? 

[cloggypop]

The Fall are what Pavement want to be. 

[Pidge]

36 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I wouldn't suggest bands of that "level" be included, they are good mind you but really have more of an underground/cult appeal - I dont think any of them would be in a US64.

Maybe Black Flag.

Fugazi should be tho.

[TheHowieLama]

4 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

What about Minutemen? 

Don't think so - even if you were going to go for say 8 or 10 punk/hardcore bands.

[cloggypop]

Just now, Pidge said:

Fugazi should be tho.

Absofuckinglutely. 

 

Get onto that Coriky album. It's great and as close as we are going to get. 

[cloggypop]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

Don't think so - even if you were going to go for say 8 or 10 punk/hardcore bands.

Very few beat them for me. 

[cloggypop]

Hüsker Dü-Dü-Dü
Captain Beefheart, ELO
Chris de Burgh
Sun Ra
Del Amitri
John Coltrane

[Pidge]

9 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Absofuckinglutely. 

 

Get onto that Coriky album. It's great and as close as we are going to get. 

Good reminder. I bookmarked a story about a bunch of new albums that'd passed me by over the last few months and had forgotten about it again.

 

New Classics of Love was a surprise.

 

I mean, X reformed. Fucking X!!

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Very few beat them for me. 

I think in that category you would have to have:

The Ramones

The Stooges

Dead Kennedys

X

The Misfits

Bad Brains

 

Then you get to bands from that scene like Husker Du, Butthole Surfers, Melvins, Fugazi, Circle Jerks, Suicidal Tendencies, NOFX, Bad Religion etc etc etc

 

You still have to find room for bands like The Pixies, New York Dolls, Voidoid, Television etc. Even Green Day and Sublime would fall into that bucket.

 

It gets crowded pretty quick.

 

[cloggypop]

3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I think in that category you would have to have:

The Ramones

The Stooges

Dead Kennedys

X

The Misfits

Bad Brains

 

Then you get to bands from that scene like Husker Du, Butthole Surfers, Melvins, Fugazi, Circle Jerks, Suicidal Tendencies, NOFX, Bad Religion etc etc etc

 

You still have to find room for bands like The Pixies, New York Dolls, Voidoid, Television etc. Even Green Day and Sublime would fall into that bucket.

 

It gets crowded pretty quick.

 

Well, Green Day can fuck right off for a start. Wouldn't put half of them as hardcore/punk myself. Do like most and The Stooges are the greatest band of all time. Television always get thrown into punk but they are just a great classic band. I'd chuck Suicide in myself though. 

[Bruce Spanner]

8 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Well, Green Day can fuck right off for a start. Wouldn't put half of them as hardcore/punk myself. Do like most and The Stooges are the greatest band of all time. Television always get thrown into punk but they are just a great classic band. I'd chuck Suicide in myself though. 

HC was Gorilla Biscuits, Agnostic Front, Bad Brains, Sick of It All, Cro-Mags through Madball and 25 Ta Life etc.
 

Great explosion of creativity. 

[cloggypop]

Just now, Bruce Spanner said:

HC was Gorilla Biscuits, Agnostic Front, Bad Brains, Sick of It All, Cro-Mags through Madball and 25 Ta Life etc.
 

Great explosion of creativity. 

Bruce knows. 

[Bruce Spanner]

Just now, cloggypop said:

Bruce knows. 

Had me a reminiscing about NYHC and Goodlife recordings.

[Pidge]

Minor Threat right at the forefront of that lot, for me. Dischord and the knock-on influence to the likes of Rick Rubin pretty major in the long-term.

 

Dag Nasty in there too, bit more melodic mind.

 

Repped for Gorilla Biscuits.

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, cloggypop said:

Well, Green Day can fuck right off for a start. Wouldn't put half of them as hardcore/punk myself. Do like most and The Stooges are the greatest band of all time. Television always get thrown into punk but they are just a great classic band. I'd chuck Suicide in myself though. 

Not sure you can ignore them and they really don't have another bucket to go in. Rancid and The Offspring as well for later bands in dat bucket.

[Tony Moanero]

Not arsed about either band, so I tossed a coin and Oasis won.

[Captain Turdseye]

Serious discussion about Butthole Surfers and Circle Jerks neatly encapsulate what this forum has become in the last few years.