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British Band Tournament - Round 1. Pet Shop Boys vs Cream

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2 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Pet Shop Boys, kinell. Surprised the Tainted Love folks aren't in this.

Comparing the Pet Shop Boys to Soft Cell is like comparing Cream to Toploader. 

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8 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

It’s not upsetting me, I just said it was a bit predictable and invariably will be won by a bunch of white blokes from the 1960s making guitar based music influenced by the blues. Maybe we should rename it “which of these 4 bands (The Beatles, the Stones, the Who or Led Zeppelin) is the best British band”. Be a lot quicker to run the competition. 

 

I think there's always an inevitability about these things being dominated by bands playing instruments that a medieval troubadour would have been familiar with. Musical tastes always trend towards the conservative, especially among those who would baulk at being described as conservative.

 

The Beatles aren't in this competiton, because they'd definitely win it. And that's the issue I have with these other blues-influenced, guitar-based 60s bands winning the competiton. The Beatles exist, so these other bands are, by definition, not at the top of the tree in their genre.

 

It would be interesting to know why electronic music is so underappreciated. Is it snobbery about electronic instruments, a misplaced belief that the artists aren't "making" the noise themselves because they're not bashing or strumming something? A musical Neo-Luddism? Does rock music appeal to something ancestral, dating back to when our caveman ancestors were literally banging rocks together?

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4 hours ago, SasaS said:

Love it, Pet Shop Boys as a young man's choice.

The only time I saw them live I got in for free because I provided a couple of male groupies for a back stage party. True story.

 

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16 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

 

I think there's always an inevitability about these things being dominated by bands playing instruments that a medieval troubadour would have been familiar with. Musical tastes always trend towards the conservative, especially among those who would baulk at being described as conservative.

 

The Beatles aren't in this competiton, because they'd definitely win it. And that's the issue I have with these other blues-influenced, guitar-based 60s bands winning the competiton. The Beatles exist, so these other bands are, by definition, not at the top of the tree in their genre.

 

It would be interesting to know why electronic music is so underappreciated. Is it snobbery about electronic instruments, a misplaced belief that the artists aren't "making" the noise themselves because they're not bashing or strumming something? A musical Neo-Luddism? Does rock music appeal to something ancestral, dating back to when our caveman ancestors were literally banging rocks together?

The Beatles weren't really a 'blues influenced' band though & have very little in common with the likes of Cream or Zeppelin.

 

Also, Led Zeppelin were using synthesizers in the early 70s.

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5 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

 

It would be interesting to know why electronic music is so underappreciated.

Probably depends on your definition of electronic music. At this time you had records like "Rock Box" and "Rockit" out - those are still considered at the vanguard of their styles. Those were artists that could excite people performing live which is where I think the early 80's English synth duos did not match up. Quite sure someone will pipe up about how great Pet Shop Boys were at Glastonbury but I don't think many would choose them over a Run-DMC or a Herbie Hancock show back in that day. 

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5 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

 

I think there's always an inevitability about these things being dominated by bands playing instruments that a medieval troubadour would have been familiar with. Musical tastes always trend towards the conservative, especially among those who would baulk at being described as conservative.

 

The Beatles aren't in this competiton, because they'd definitely win it. And that's the issue I have with these other blues-influenced, guitar-based 60s bands winning the competiton. The Beatles exist, so these other bands are, by definition, not at the top of the tree in their genre.

 

It would be interesting to know why electronic music is so underappreciated. Is it snobbery about electronic instruments, a misplaced belief that the artists aren't "making" the noise themselves because they're not bashing or strumming something? A musical Neo-Luddism? Does rock music appeal to something ancestral, dating back to when our caveman ancestors were literally banging rocks together?

I think it’s the relatively small electorate on here as well. Only about 45 people on here vote in each round so it’s a pretty small sample of people who clearly like a very particular style of music and some if them are prone to getting cross if you disagree.

 

Not many people under 40 have heard of Cream or the Pet Shop boys. There’s a 20 something women in my office who claimed never to have heard a Beatles song until we had a barbecue at my house.
 

Musical taste are much more niche these days and very age centric. I took my oldest daughters to see Jay Z at the O2 a few years ago and it was completely lost on me, just an old New York bloke shouting over a beat. That said, I’m partial to early Kanye West before he went mad.

 

Anyway I agree with you, electronic music is underrated. 

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I think there is a slice of electronic music that is true for.

 

It all boils down to what you think a "band" is as well. And as I suggested, how well they come across live.

Kraftwerk were a band, Devo was a band. If you are talking about sequenced music ZZ Top was at the forefront of that sound on the radio.

 

Certainly rap ensembles of that time came across as bands - Public Enemy, NWA, Beastie Boys

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1 hour ago, Fluter in Dakota said:

I bet you like new order though.

 

Pet shop boys +

New Order =

 

I did wonder where Electronic where in this competition. The first album is a belter. And Getting Away With It and Disappointed are classics. 

 

And this is a triumph of a album opener...

 

 

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26 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

I did wonder where Electronic where in this competition. The first album is a belter. And Getting Away With It and Disappointed are classics. 

 

And this is a triumph of a album opener...

 

 

And where are the KLF ? Probably one of the most genuinely radical bands, more of an art phenomenon than a band though. I’m a massive KLF fan.

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7 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

And where are the KLF ? Probably one of the most genuinely radical bands, more of an art phenomenon than a band though. I’m a massive KLF fan.

I'd have deffo had the KLF in here. Love Bill Drummond. 

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9 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Fantastic stuff

Yes yes all very good but this is a competition about blokes playing guitars, three verses, two choruses and a guitar riff in the middle. Stick to the script. 

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3 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Yes yes all very good but this is a competition about blokes playing guitars, three verses, two choruses and a guitar riff in the middle. Stick to the script. 

You mean actual music?

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23 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I’m guessing your not a pink Floyd fan. 

Not really but never heard enough of them to be one. 7 minute plus songs stopped me listening to a few bands in my youth. Self indulgence gets a bit boring after a while.

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Just now, VladimirIlyich said:

Not really but never heard enough of them to be one. 7 minute plus songs stopped me listening to a few bands in my youth. Self indulgence gets a bit boring after a while.

They’re a go to band if you are stoned. They’re not your normal prog rock shit. 

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1 minute ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

They’re a go to band if you are stoned. They’re not your normal prog rock shit. 

I hate them just as much after a smoke. They're no Lee Scratch Perry. 

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