Cancel Culture

[Colonel Bumcunt]

5 hours ago, SasaS said:

You don't see a problem in organized campaigning to get people fired or prevent their employment because you don't agree with their opinion? "Ordinary people" banding together? Really?

If you have an opinion on something, however horrendous, then you've likely established it as fact in your own head. 

 

That's the thing though, isn't it, that people will rail against 'cancel culture' groups hounding someone UNTIL the point at which the 'victim' is proven to be in the wrong, and then the 'fact' changes. 

 

Are petitions 'cancel culture'?  Better stop them.

Are unions 'cancel culture'? Better break their heads open.

Are universities encouraging 'cancel culture'?  Better shut them.

So then, libraries will feature 'cancel culture' literature, better burn them down.

 

[Bjornebye]

I like when people on twitter have things like "un-woke, no time for snowflakes" then go mental and report you when you pick them up on something. Right wing hypocrisy is alive and kicking 

[Rico1304]

I think the Boyle stuff was him feigning outrage at someone saying ‘women are adult human females’ then throwing the word ‘tranny’ about. 

[SasaS]

14 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

If you have an opinion on something, however horrendous, then you've likely established it as fact in your own head. 

 

That's the thing though, isn't it, that people will rail against 'cancel culture' groups hounding someone UNTIL the point at which the 'victim' is proven to be in the wrong, and then the 'fact' changes. 

 

Are petitions 'cancel culture'?  Better stop them.

Are unions 'cancel culture'? Better break their heads open.

Are universities encouraging 'cancel culture'?  Better shut them.

So then, libraries will feature 'cancel culture' literature, better burn them down.

 

Don't quite get it, you are championing "cancel culture" but framing it as "cancel culture" being the victim of suppression? No, you shouldn't have the right to destroy someone just because this person has a different or a wrong opinion. Your freedom goes as far as it doesn't infringe on the freedom of others and all that.

 

[TheHowieLama]

3 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

What about the Washington Wizards ?

They are a basketball team.

[Pidge]

 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

Don't quite get it, you are championing "cancel culture" but framing it as "cancel culture" being the victim of suppression? No, you shouldn't have the right to destroy someone just because this person has a different or a wrong opinion. Your freedom goes as far as it doesn't infringe on the freedom of others and all that.

 

I don't care enough to argue about it though, but I think it's all rather silly.

Was surprised to see Chomsky back it, though from his point of view I suppose a bunch of right wing nuts have chased him for attacking Israel. 

Anyway, be well. x

[Bjornebye]

45 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

They are a basketball team.

Christ mate. 

[Jose Jones]

Remember when atk got canceled due to racist stuff he’d posted on here and lost his cushy job with FSG?

That was weird wasn’t it?

[Bruce Spanner]

25 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Remember when atk got canceled due to racist stuff he’d posted on here and lost his cushy job with FSG?

That was weird wasn’t it?

Do FSG still own the scarf stall outside The Crown?

[aRdja]

Oh Jay... you idiot. This is a bit shit. I really liked his last album.

[cloggypop]

Burger Records has gone. So have some of the bands on it. I can see this being a much wider problem than just this one particular scene. 

 

https://www.loudersound.com/features/burger-records-implodes-and-culture-abuse-cancel-themselves-why-are-we-still-surprised-by-alternative-musics-sexual-misconduct-scandals

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

On 11/07/2020 at 00:52, Bjornebye said:

Its easy not to be cancelled. Don't be a cunt. Especially on Twitter. JK Rowling might hate chicks with dicks but don't tweet it to your 14 million odd followers. 

Bollocks, utter bollocks. You can disagree with a standpoint, and defend your own viewpoint as long as it is done in a respectful manner, which I believe JKR did.

this is the same as saying any discussion of Palestine is anti-Semitic. It’s the Tory argument, you can’t be a socialist you live in a house, call yourself a leftie but you watch TV. The details are where the important shit is, and cancel culture neglects this, which often pays out for the political right. You have to bring your own game, and support others who do the same. All arguments are up for discussion if they are handled respectfully. The current problems lie with the supposedly independent arbiters - generally the public and the press, problems arise when the press don’t act independently nor in the best interests of their supposed audience.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

On 11/07/2020 at 03:27, cloggypop said:

Need to do a better job on Laurence Fox. Before he'd been cancelled I'd never heard of the cunt. 

Same here but he seems like a real uppity little wanker. Had a nervous breakdown a few years ago and has come

back as some right wing man of the people, not scared to stand up for what I believe in type prick. When all he really believes in is that fuck all needs to change, and he’s doing ok thanks.

Billy Piper has had some proper bad dicks.

[cloggypop]

Chris Evans was 35 when he married 18 year old Billy Piper. Reminds me of that Burger Records link I posted earlier. 

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

On 11/07/2020 at 18:27, Dr Nowt said:

Can thoroughly recommend this book on the subject. Though I believe he was once slightly brisk with a waitress who asked him if he was having a good day, so he’s a total cunt exemplar of smug white power and I stopped reading after such and such line I didn’t agree with.

 

Good egg and “good  weird” journo Jon Ronson, he has always taken risks and gone to see what happens if... world needs more like him. Frank was a boss film, and I’ve not read a bad book by him.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Good egg and “good  weird” journo Jon Ronson, he has always taken risks and gone to see what happens if... world needs more like him. Frank was a boss film, and I’ve not read a bad book by him.

A lot of non-fiction books have the tone "I know stuff and I'm going to talk you through it". Ronson's tone is usually "I'm curious about stuff, let's look into it and see what we find". It feels like you're learning things at the same time that he is. It's a very engaging writing style.

 

And he comes across as a decent bloke. 

[Josef Svejk]

1 hour ago, cloggypop said:

Chris Evans was 35 when he married 18 year old Billy Piper. Reminds me of that Burger Records link I posted earlier. 

Burger Records seems to follow the BBC model...

[AngryOfTuebrook]

As an aside, I read something yesterday about people wearing black face masks against Coronavirus and I initially read it as "blackface masks" and couldn't understand why the author was so approving.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

On 12/07/2020 at 20:58, SasaS said:

Nicely put, although I would argue that people, young and other don't feel powerless, it's the opposite, they feel empowered by (mainly ) technological developments that brought about certain changes in how society and political system works. Mechanisms of how you maintain power have changed with the demise of many mainstream media and traditional political parties that relied on traditional gate keeping practices and structures, so road to entry is now much more fluid and battle is increasingly being fought in public, where everyone is at the same time a communicator and a targeted recipient. This is, I think, why this battle is so fierce and suppressing opposing opinions so ferocious.

Historically, most revolutions, revolts, upheavals came about not when the group driving them was powerless but when there was a discrepancy between their actual economic or other power and the ability to transfer that into political power.  

I agree to a certain extent on the points about youth power (through assumed knowledge) here, and think it is part of the reasoning for doing away with experts.

eminence is no longer considered such a commodity, the increase in technology over the last 40 years has led the boomers to feel less in control and less respected than their forebears, some can barely work phones and computers, they need to rely more on youth to assist. This was probably not the way of their grandfathers (and I am being deliberately sexist here as I see this as more of a male problem).

Think about your middle class marketing exec of the 70’s / 80’s - let’s call him Brian.

golf club membership, smart executive lease car updated regularly, nice family home life, first in the family to get the Teletext TV, then of course BSB and

sky, in control. 
votes Tory, 2 holidays a year, enjoys a bitnof

skiing and regular soirées with like minded folk from the golf club.

Gets a laptop for work in 90’s early adopter, well organised, files and folders for everything whizz at excel and generating labels in word, proper dab hand at the home PC.

Fast forward Brian to today, he was lord of his tech domain, now he’s shitscared of opening spam in case they hack him and all the info he has in his files and folders.

Brian still goes to a phone shop for his phones, a little local of shop for his computer which is why he’s still on windows 7 - little shops survive on these repeat call outs, and uses a travel agent.

Brian no longer feels up to date with the tech, he has to ask for advice. Brian remembers his grandad as an eminently wise older man, but Brian doesn’t feel like that. So Brian says fuck the experts, I know what is best, and remains steadfast in his stance even as it clearly starts to splinter the society and community around him. 
But Brian knows he is right, he may not know how to tweet, or used facegram, or VPN. But he knows there are too many immigrants, and too many dolites. And he helped build this society, he will fame well take care of it.

Brian forgets that he had free education up to and including university, benefitted from the property boom that came from the public housing sell offs that now cripples first time buyers, and was looked after by a nascent NHS throughout from early in his life.

Brian believes he’s had it hard, he’s paid his dues and wants his bins emptied on time every time, and he wants people to speak in a tongue he can understand on a bus he will never use. Brian can see nothing but those who want without putting the effort into earn when he was born into arguably the luckiest generation in western history from a financial perspective.

[Dr Nowt]

50 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Good egg and “good  weird” journo Jon Ronson, he has always taken risks and gone to see what happens if... world needs more like him. Frank was a boss film, and I’ve not read a bad book by him.

Agreed mate. He’s doing an online writing workshop this evening which I’ve managed to get onto for free. Looking forward to it.

[Dr Nowt]

33 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

A lot of non-fiction books have the tone "I know stuff and I'm going to talk you through it". Ronson's tone is usually "I'm curious about stuff, let's look into it and see what we find". It feels like you're learning things at the same time that he is. It's a very engaging writing style.

 

And he comes across as a decent bloke. 

Spot on that.

[skend04]

Why did Rowling sue that education site this week rather than do as the letter she signed, and debate, and win the argument, that she's not a transphobe? 

 

Isn't she just perpetuating the cancel culture by stopping the debate and asking for an apology?

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

1 minute ago, Dr Nowt said:

Agreed mate. He’s doing an online writing workshop this evening which I’ve managed to get onto for free. Looking forward to it.

Nice work man, is he still in the US?

34 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

A lot of non-fiction books have the tone "I know stuff and I'm going to talk you through it". Ronson's tone is usually "I'm curious about stuff, let's look into it and see what we find". It feels like you're learning things at the same time that he is. It's a very engaging writing style.

 

And he comes across as a decent bloke. 

Yeah, he lacks arrogance and whilst I wouldn’t say he lacks fear having heard him speak, he doesn’t let fear stop him doing stuff. He’s a bit less polished than Louis Theroux and a longer read style, this is something that the British have done well for years. Documentarians such as these and Nick Brookfield, Adam Curtis etc.

[Dr Nowt]

3 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Nice work man, is he still in the US?

Yep. He’s just become a naturalised American, so he told Theroux on his lockdown podcast.