Keir Starmer

[Gooch]

27 minutes ago, Dicko said:

I mean it's literally Osborne in 2010.

Pretty much, the fact he's the biggest cheerleader for this bollocks says it all, but people turning a blind eye because he threw a bag at public sector workers. Forget how you're supposed to square the circle of promoting growth, whilst slashing infrastructure projects and raising taxes, whilst also projecting an utter doomsday messaging bout the state of finances based on made up numbers from some bullshit government department.

The whole thing is an incoherent mess.

[Strontium]

Everyone knew that taxes would have to go up, regardless of who got in, just as everyone knew in 2010 that cuts would be made, regardless of who got in. The difference is I'm not going to spend the next 15 years pretending anyone else would have done anything different simply to justify synthetic political grievances.

[Bjornebye]

[Arniepie]

hardly austerity

 

The PM again stressed this would not be on income tax, National Insurance or VAT - his definition of “working people”.

But it seems likely some of those same people will face higher taxes on their wealth in the form of pensions or property.

[Gooch]

41 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

hardly austerity

 

The PM again stressed this would not be on income tax, National Insurance or VAT - his definition of “working people”.

But it seems likely some of those same people will face higher taxes on their wealth in the form of pensions or property.

Do you know what Austerity actually means?

[Bjornebye]

Whatever the mess is it was left over from the thieving and incompetence of the last lot that started in 2010. So anyone trying to pass the buck is basically full of shit. 

 

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Do you know what Austerity actually means?

14 years of pay feeezes?

libraries,sure start and youth centres closed?

every public service cut to the bone?

[Red Phoenix]

"In the first few weeks we discovered a £22bn black hole in the public finances."

 

"It’s going to be painful. We have no other choice, given the situation that we’re in."

 

I didn't think it'd take long before people started seeing what a scammer he is. Here's a choice :

 

Government could save £55bn over next five years by limiting Bank of England’s interest payments to commercial banks

 

And here's another :

 

Unite calls for 1% wealth tax on super-rich to fund UK public sector pay rises

[Gooch]

Just now, Arniepie said:

14 years of pay feeezes?

libraries,sure start and youth centres closed?

every public service cut to the bone?

Yes, It can also involve tax increases.

[Arniepie]

5 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Yes, It can also involve tax increases.

for the more well off?

[Arniepie]

red tories

 

Keir Starmer cancels Rishi Sunak's 'wasteful' £40m helicopter contract - BBC News

[Juniper]

Wonder when his mask would slip, so here we are. 

[Arniepie]

its mad how the right wing media are slating in for "caving" into the unions by giving public sector workers a modest pay rise and he is also getting slated for apparently bringing in austerity  2.

[Gooch]

3 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

for the more well off?

Define well off? A lot of the people who'll be hit by this will be doing alright but are hardly the super rich, your quote confirms as much. It's being used as a way to balance the books. The whole tone of it and general messaging coming out from them is laying the groundwork for utter mediocrity over the next 5 years.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Strontium said:

Everyone knew that taxes would have to go up, regardless of who got in, just as everyone knew in 2010 that cuts would be made, regardless of who got in. The difference is I'm not going to spend the next 15 years pretending anyone else would have done anything different simply to justify synthetic political grievances.

Spending cuts in 2010 have been proven to be the wrong choice.

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Define well off? A lot of the people who'll be hit by this will be doing alright but are hardly the super rich, your quote confirms as much. It's being used as a way to balance the books. The whole tone of it and general messaging coming out from them is laying the groundwork for utter mediocrity over the next 5 years.

the public sector have just got more of a pay rise in 1 year from labour, than under about a decade from the tories.

[Section_31]

35 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

its mad how the right wing media are slating in for "caving" into the unions by giving public sector workers a modest pay rise and he is also getting slated for apparently bringing in austerity  2.

 

It's an impossible place to be, the 'centre'. 

[Gooch]

The real problem is the cultural stain from the Cameron/Osbourne era that has a stranglehold on every economic decision made in this country. Everything needs to be "fully costed" and ran like some household. You can't run a country like it just promotes a utter malaise/steady decline into oblivion. You can only cut public services and tax working people so much.

COVID proved that this stuff is a political choice not an economic one.

[Arniepie]

8 minutes ago, Gooch said:

The real problem is the cultural stain from the Cameron/Osbourne era that has a stranglehold on every economic decision made in this country. Everything needs to be "fully costed" and ran like some household. You can't run a country like it just promotes a utter malaise/steady decline into oblivion. You can only cut public services and tax working people so much.

COVID proved that this stuff is a political choice not an economic one.

id say the real problem is we live in a country of thick fucking bootlicking cunts who think anyone who wants a pay rise is a communist, and who want every public service decinated, and will then write angry letters to the mail,after sitting in a and e for 3 weeks.   

[Bjornebye]

35 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

id say the real problem is we live in a country of thick fucking bootlicking cunts who think anyone who wants a pay rise is a communist, and who want every public service decinated, and will then write angry letters to the mail,after sitting in a and e for 3 weeks.   

It winds me up when they always refer to train drivers salaries as if it’s just them who need a bit extra to live a decent life. The fucking money it costs to travel by train and these Tory cunts let their pals make a fortune off the back of low pay and ripping people off 

[Gooch]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Spending cuts in 2010 have been proven to be the wrong choice.

Cost of borrowing is near zero, and what do we do? Cut everything to the bone and lose a generation of wage growth in the process. Absolute negligence from those morons.

[Scooby Dudek]

2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Whatever the mess is it was left over from the thieving and incompetence of the last lot that started in 2010. So anyone trying to pass the buck is basically full of shit. 

 

I don't think people, on here at least, are trying to pass the buck in relation to the mess that the Tory cunts caused over the last 14 years. 

I think people, including myself have an issue with how, for an easy narrative, they are funding the 22 bn black hole. 

 

There are always choices politically;

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/apr/09/taxing-the-wealth-of-uk-richest-would-raise-billions-for-public-services

 

 

In the UK, a wealth tax on the very richest could raise up to £22bn a year. This would pay for the salaries of 276,000 nurses and double dental funding in England, with change to spare.

 

Reforming the tax system is the smart solution to meet the challenges of the day.

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

I don't think people, on here at least, are trying to pass the buck in relation to the mess that the Tory cunts caused over the last 14 years. 

I think people, including myself have an issue with how, for an easy narrative, they are funding the 22 bn black hole. 

 

There are always choices politically;

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/apr/09/taxing-the-wealth-of-uk-richest-would-raise-billions-for-public-services

 

 

In the UK, a wealth tax on the very richest could raise up to £22bn a year. This would pay for the salaries of 276,000 nurses and double dental funding in England, with change to spare.

 

Reforming the tax system is the smart solution to meet the challenges of the day.

It was more in response to SD and the twitter Tory brigade 

[Jairzinho]

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

It's an impossible place to be, the 'centre'. 

 

It doesn't really mean anything.

 

This certainly wouldn't pass for the centre in Portugal or Denmark.

 

The two main economic positions in the UK are "centre right" and "mentally ill".

[Section_31]

1 hour ago, Gooch said:

The real problem is the cultural stain from the Cameron/Osbourne era that has a stranglehold on every economic decision made in this country. Everything needs to be "fully costed" and ran like some household. You can't run a country like it just promotes a utter malaise/steady decline into oblivion. You can only cut public services and tax working people so much.

COVID proved that this stuff is a political choice not an economic one.

 

Agree with that but it comes from the global 'system' doesn't it? Look at every radical party that's tried to get into power in Europe, Greece and Spain etc, the minute they make fiscal decisions that go against the accepted way of doing things they're pummelled from all sides, the IMF, EU and all the other cunts. 

 

Moody's call you junk and whatnot.