Keir Starmer

[Denny Crane]

The 20pt thing is a take on the any Labour leader would be 20pts ahead of the worst Tory government that was regularly aimed at Corbyn. So more a dig at the commentariat than a cheap dig at Starmer who lapped up Tony Blair's comments below. 

Tony Blair: 'Labour should be 20 points ahead in polls'

Former prime minister Tony Blair has said that Labour should be much further ahead in the opinion polls than it is now, suggesting that Jeremy Corbyn isn't capitalising on the problems facing the government.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-41952976

 

 

 

 

 

[Mudface]

37 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

I want to see it now, to be honest. Give people a real choice. The the ‘right wing nut jobs’ on the right, the ‘right wing nut jobs’ in the centre, ‘the right wing nut jobs’ on the centre left, the ‘right wing nut jobs’ on the left who don’t support Corbyn or the real left who support Corbyn. Honesty, I think they’d get no seats and get wiped out. That’s why they’ve not already done it. The best way to get left wing policies in place is to unify behind the Labour Party - the sacks of shit - in the hope they can get a fuckin’ coalition.
 

I mean, people are stupid, what can you do? 

I agree, it would be unforgivable to continually undermine the party leader and form a breakaway party...

[Numero Veinticinco]

@Denny Crane I’m aware. It’s retarded. The idea that 1) that’s Starmer’s fault, 2) means that he would swing 40% on day 1 is ridiculous. This group of pricks are ridiculous. Almost everything they say is ridiculous and without thought.
 

As for Blair, the cunt, what he said in that interview was perfectly sensible; he obviously meant that had somebody else been in Corbyn’s position they should have built on the position and been 15-20 points ahead. Quite sensible assertion when you consider Starmer gained around 20pts in the first four or five months. If the only rebuttal to Starmer gaining in the Tories is to drone on about him not being 20 MORE points on, then it’s beyond stupid. Anybody I hear saying that instantly gets marked as somebody with nothing valuable to add to a conversation. 
 

And Blair is absolutely spot on in that interview about the way forward. It’s almost as if he understands about winning elections. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I agree, it would be unforgivable to continually undermine the party leader and form a breakaway party...

Yeah, I think it is. It seems, though, that Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, et al, have learned from the mistakes of the twats who left under Corbyn and are now stacking shelves for some highly paid arms dealer. Which is wise because the same fate would fall upon them. 

[Denny Crane]

11 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

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As for Blair, the cunt, what he said in that interview was perfectly sensible; he obviously meant that had somebody else been in Corbyn’s position they should have built on the position and been 15-20 points ahead. Quite sensible assertion when you consider Starmer gained around 20pts in the first four or five months. If the only rebuttal to Starmer gaining in the Tories is to drone on about him not being 20 MORE points on, then it’s beyond stupid. Anybody I hear saying that instantly gets marked as somebody with nothing valuable to add to a conversation. 
 

And Blair is absolutely spot on in that interview about the way forward. It’s almost as if he understands about winning elections. 

Come on no chance Labour would have been 15-20 points ahead with Brexit the main factor. It was dishonest bullshit. Corbyns tenure has been discussed endlessly  and I have no interest in discussing the past but BREXIT and the second referendum astroturf campaign.

[Numero Veinticinco]

51 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

Come on no chance Labour would have been 15-20 points ahead with Brexit the main factor. It was dishonest bullshit. Corbyns tenure has been discussed endlessly  and I have no interest in discussing the past but BREXIT and the second referendum astroturf campaign.

They should have been much further ahead. As I said, gaining 20 points in his first few months is an indication that Corbyn, his team, and their approach was at least partly an issue. Whether that’s fair or right is another matter, I don’t think it was right I think it’s a load of shit and think Corbyn would have been a million times better, that’s why I voted for him. I think he did a poor job though and I think a lot of problem was with him. Brexit was obviously a massive factor. Denying Corbyn was also a factor would be weird. 

[Strontium]

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Oh look 

 

Hey, they've waited six months, that's pretty restrained by their previous standards.

 

It was only one month after John Smith was elected leader with 91% of the vote before Corbyn was calling for him to resign. So, you know, progress...

[Gnasher]

35 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

 

Hey, they've waited six months, that's pretty restrained by their previous standards.

 

It was only one month after John Smith was elected leader with 91% of the vote before Corbyn was calling for him to resign. So, you know, progress...

 If only your lib dem troops had pulled Swinson back from her march to the right of Genghis Khan and her gleeful Corbyn bashing the country might not be experiencing a Conservative majority.

[Bjornebye]

43 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 If only your lib dem troops had pulled Swinson back from her march to the right of Genghis Khan and her gleeful Corbyn bashing the country might not be experiencing a Conservative majority.

Arguably your best post on this forum. 

[Denny Crane]

1 hour ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

They should have been much further ahead. As I said, gaining 20 points in his first few months is an indication that Corbyn, his team, and their approach was at least partly an issue. Whether that’s fair or right is another matter, I don’t think it was right I think it’s a load of shit and think Corbyn would have been a million times better, that’s why I voted for him. I think he did a poor job though and I think a lot of problem was with him. Brexit was obviously a massive factor. Denying Corbyn was also a factor would be weird. 

At the time Blair made that comment Labour were polling at 43% with Yougov under Corbyn others maybe 45-46%. I can see why people didn't take the comment seriously then and don't now - most weren't acting in good faith. I won't pass comment on Starmer gaining 20 points as you are well aware of polling under Corbyn and Labour up until they became more anti-Brexit. Obviously I hope Starmer learns from some of the mistakes Corbyn and Miliband made but I hope we don't end up down the "John, we've already got your vote, we're after the ones we haven't got".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Anubis]

On 02/10/2020 at 14:21, Section_31 said:

Keir Starmer has insisted that his priority at the next election will be to hike taxes for the top 5% of Britons and signalled that he may go even further in squeezing the very richest.

In an interview with HuffPost UK, the Labour leader moved to quash suggestions that he had abandoned his leadership pledge to jack up income tax on anyone earning over £80,000.

Although the party has a current policy of opposing government tax rises during the pandemic, Starmer said that if he became prime minister in 2024 he may have to “be bolder than we imagined” to rebalance the UK’s economy and invest in public services.

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Add in ‘at gunpoint’ and I’m in.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The Jury is still out on Starmer. And, I'm allowed to give him silly nicknames. 

 

But, the fucking state of this from Peston? 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1313436254210535428

[Section_31]

24 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

The Jury is still out on Starmer. And, I'm allowed to give him silly nicknames. 

 

But, the fucking state of this from Peston? 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1313436254210535428

Amazing isn't it? Johnson is presiding over the worst health response and the worst economic response in the western world, yet Starmer is getting shit from the right and the 'left'. 

 

This is why the country deserves the shit it's in, every single dollop.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Section_31 said:

Amazing isn't it? Johnson is presiding over the worst health response and the worst economic response in the western world, yet Starmer is getting shit from the right and the 'left'. 

 

This is why the country deserves the shit it's in, every single dollop.

I don’t deserve shit, bitch! 
 

Yeah, you’re right. Polarity levels are tapping the needle. The way I look at it is you start out with your set of principles (arriving at them from a number of different methods), then choose the best match, but it seems like politics is more like football now. I’ve picked my team and that’s it. I’m locked in now I can’t deviate. 

[Megadrive Man]

There's something fishy about these latest poll results. It's convenient how Labour always take the lead around the same time the tories and some of their backers start to lose patience with their leader. 

 

 

[Denny Crane]

46 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

 

This is why the country deserves the shit it's in, every single dollop.

I'm reluctantly coming round to this thought. 

 

It's going to get a lot lot worse if we do end up with mass unemployment next year if you don't support the government you are an enemy.

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

"egged on" 

[Megadrive Man]

9 hours ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

Yeah, it’d be very difficult, though Blair did it quite comfortably in only England. Something like 328 vs 165 (entire election was 418 vs 165). It’s doable but it’s also very unlikely as you say. I’d have no issues with a coalition with Labour, SNP and anyone who isn’t the Tories, to be honest. 

 

The difference is that Labour have lost way too many seats that they used to win without even trying. 

 

As an example, Mansfield was lost in 2017, having not elected a Tory for 80 years, and now the walking libel suit Ben Bradley has a 17,000 majority. Other Labour seats lost in 2017 and 2015 are similar. They are running in fourth place in many Scottish seats now. 

 

I honestly don't see a way back for Labour any time soon. Brexit voters won't vote for Starmer, and Labour may lose some of the hardcore Corbyn supporters to the green party or by not voting at all. 

 

[Gnasher]

46 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

I'm reluctantly coming round to this thought. 

 

It's going to get a lot lot worse if we do end up with mass unemployment next year if you don't support the government you are an enemy.

 

 

 

 

"Militant vegans"  get the army out 

[Mudface]

1 hour ago, Denny Crane said:

I'm reluctantly coming round to this thought. 

 

It's going to get a lot lot worse if we do end up with mass unemployment next year if you don't support the government you are an enemy.

 

 

 

 

To be honest it's about time we had a crackdown on the vegans.

[sir roger]

What far-left mainstream media ? We don't even have any mild left mainstream media anymore.

[Numero Veinticinco]

9 minutes ago, sir roger said:

What far-left mainstream media ? We don't even have any mild left mainstream media anymore.

I guess it depends ‘leave EU’ define ‘mainstream’ but it does seem ridiculous. Skwawkbox is probably the closest, but that falls down on ‘media’ as much as ‘mainstream’. 
 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

33 minutes ago, sir roger said:

What far-left mainstream media ? We don't even have any mild left mainstream media anymore.

I still buy the morning star and socialist worker when I see them, morning star more often as they tend to sell them near where I work.

 

Problem is they’re pretty shit most of the time and have ridiculously transparent ‘journalism’ which doesn’t tell me anything i don’t already know about, or put across an ultra partisan viewpoint. I’m aware this is a general problem.

 

And, I know the argument that they have little money to help before anybody piles on, they also have a tiny readership which is not a coincidence. 

 

[Denny Crane]

 

 

Unite considering putting the money saved into left-wing causes and grassroots organisations instead.

 

 

 

[Strontium]

Probably a better use of money than paying out to Labour MPs they've libelled.