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Keir Starmer


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2 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

We will only know if it was good if my fellow lefties are sneering in silence from the sidelines or being needlessly dismissive. 

I am very willing to give him a chance. In my book a 'bad' Labour government is always better than a 'good/tolerable' tory one. But like most on here know,its never about policies,its always about personalities and how they can be metaphorically assassinated.

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I really struggled with PMQ today, whilst I thought Starmer was good (even though I shouldn't be allowed to say that as I am a crazy left extremist Labour party member).

 

I struggled mainly because the sound coming out of Raab as he tried to sound compassionate, whilst talking about OUR NHS workers was truly horrifying.

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49 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

I really struggled with PMQ today, whilst I thought Starmer was good (even though I shouldn't be allowed to say that as I am a crazy left extremist Labour party member).

 

I struggled mainly because the sound coming out of Raab as he tried to sound compassionate, whilst talking about OUR NHS workers was truly horrifying.

The same NHS the tories have opposed from its very formation and every day since? Laughable.

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4 hours ago, Section_31 said:

The problem for the Tories with people like Starmer is they don't know how to attack. They always play the man and not the ball because labour policies themselves are popular, so it's red ed and his bacon butty or Corbyn with his KGB background and lack of tie.

 

Starmer though where do they go with that? 

 

"Okay Starmer, the respected former QC and knight, you....absolute twat."

 

You  have to read it in the voice of David Mitchell.

Hahaha 

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1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Centrist swine!

 

Nah, exactly as you said mate; calm and forensic. That’s going to be what we see for quite some time, I reckon. That’ll frustrate some people. 


I really hope it doesn’t. 
 

It was the perfect way to show up the bullshit and bluster. 

Granted Raab was fucking atrocious but it’s exactly the way he needs to destroy Johnson. 

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If he continues to destroy the tories then they will find a quote from him saying that killing palestinian kids is wrong and spin it that he is a jew-hating, holocaust denying, racist, IRA, murderous child rapist. 

 

"Your failure to react to expert advice cost more lives than necessary" 

 

"Why would we listen to an anti-semite who burns kids down in sunday school, used to be in the Provisional IRA and tried to shag one of the queens Corgis?! GET BREXIT DONE!" 

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His calm and forensic approach was massively impressive. 
 

There would have been huge pressure on him to rip into the government for PR’s sake. 
 

The; “I don’t need correcting” and “I’m putting the first minister on notice I’ll be asking the same question again next week” scared the shit out of Raab and the tories. 

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I've not seen the PMQ's but will watch it soon. I'm glad if Starmer has made the Tories look stupid but I'm not going to get carried away with how well he's done with parliament being like it is now, mainly because we're currently missing hundreds of Tories shouting and screaming at him half the time. So if we eventually get back to normal it'll be interesting to see how he deals with that and clearly it could be quite a while yet before that happens.

 

I'm not trying to be negative for the sake of it either, but when whichever Tory twat is speaking doesn't have his/her mates backing them up with all of the jeering it's not going to be the same thing. It's at least good for putting them on the spot more about the response to this virus though which should be a good help.

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23 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

I've not seen the PMQ's but will watch it soon. I'm glad if Starmer has made the Tories look stupid but I'm not going to get carried away with how well he's done with parliament being like it is now, mainly because we're currently missing hundreds of Tories shouting and screaming at him half the time. So if we eventually get back to normal it'll be interesting to see how he deals with that and clearly it could be quite a while yet before that happens.

 

I'm not trying to be negative for the sake of it either, but when whichever Tory twat is speaking doesn't have his/her mates backing them up with all of the jeering it's not going to be the same thing. It's at least good for putting them on the spot more about the response to this virus though which should be a good help.


I get what you mean but that’s exactly what was impressive about today. 
 

He showed how to completely dismantle the bullshit and bluster in a calm and forensic manner. 
 

Labour are not going to win the next GE with having an even bigger daft twat than Johnson. 
 

They need a way to completely eviscerate the tories and them pretending to care for anyone. 

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I get what you mean Damo. 
 

But I actually think ‘forensic’ is exactly what he was at PMQ’s and will be exactly what he needs to be against Johnson’s bullshit and bluster. 
 

Although we have a very long way to go (especially considering how much of an incompetent twat Raab was) today was very promising. 

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27 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

I get what you mean but that’s exactly what was impressive about today. 
 

He showed how to completely dismantle the bullshit and bluster in a calm and forensic manner. 
 

Labour are not going to win the next GE with having an even bigger daft twat than Johnson. 
 

They need a way to completely eviscerate the tories and them pretending to care for anyone. 

 

Good to know if it harms the Tories and I suppose and the silence in there maybe amplified how stupid they are when questioned, will watch it soon.

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On 21/04/2020 at 18:24, Numero Veinticinco said:

I think there’s probably quite a significant different to him, mate. I doubt he wants to be beholden to a significant amount of that stuff. I mean, he can’t really be held to account for something he didn’t promise, is my point. Momentum might well try, like. 


He’s pledged to retain most of Corbyn’s signature economic policies from the last manifesto: increasing corporation tax and top-rate income tax, nationalising rail, mail, energy and water, abolishing tuition fees, scrapping universal credit, implementing the Green New Deal and National Education Service.

 

https://keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/

 

There’s some stuff he’ll probably let go like free broadband and the employees’ ownership stake scheme, but he’s committed to all of the main economic policies that most matter to the membership, which basically means the 2017 manifesto.

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On 21/04/2020 at 18:32, Sugar Ape said:


You want him to emulate what Corbyn, Abbot and McDonnell are currently doing? 
 

They’ve just led the party to the worst defeat in living memory, calling the Tories cunts at every turn and being as combative as possible and got absolutely nowhere. Maybe a different, more subtle approach is required so I’m prepared to give him more than two weeks before saying the party might as well have no leader. He hasn’t even had a PMQs yet for fucks sake. 
 

In the two weeks he’s been in charge we’ve had the pandemic, that report being dropped on him, Johnson critically ill (allegedly) in hospital and the government dominating the airwaves with daily briefings covered by every outlet in the country. I’d suggest it’s a bit difficult getting coverage in that climate and I don’t think him or his front bench have done a bad job of it. 
 

Maybe his approach is flawed and he should go at it another way but he’s clearly trying to avoid looking like he’s profiting politically from this which is why he isn’t holding his own press conferences and stuff. You might not agree with it but after such a big victory in the leadership contest he’s got the right to take whatever approach he feels is best. 
 

Another point of view would be that the Tories are fucking this up enough on their own so leave them to it. What’s that Napoleon quote “Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake”. 


Yes, I do want him to emulate the tone and pitch of their criticisms. I think they’ve judged it right so far. I don’t know why you’ve referenced the election result, it’s not relevant at all here. There were lots of reasons why they lost so badly; being nasty to the Tories wasn’t one of them. And I don’t know why you’re strawmanning about being abusive either. Corbyn, Abbott or McDonnell never called anyone a cunt, and no-one’s suggesting they or anyone else starts now. Like Duff Man said you can be critical and forensic without getting personal.

 

You’re directing your “not having a leader” ire at the wrong person, I already said Jairz’s criticism was OTT.

 

I know it’s difficult for Labour to get coverage at the moment, that’s precisely why I’m suggesting Starmer tries to take more control over the media agenda and create regular media events with him as the sole focus, in a professional-looking setting rather than outside his house or on Zoom from his living room. People would see more of him than they are now and associate serious scrutiny of the government with him and Labour the way they’re currently doing with Piers Morgan. Moreover it would give a lead to the media and influence the questions they ask at the daily government press conference, amplifying Labour’s message. He had a good PMQs today, but that’s once a week - he needs to make that kind of impact more regularly.

 

As for your last paragraph, anybody seriously adopting that attitude needs to have a fucking word with themselves, because this government’s mistakes are costing lives every day.

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32 minutes ago, Neil G said:


He’s pledged to retain most of Corbyn’s signature economic policies from the last manifesto: increasing corporation tax and top-rate income tax, nationalising rail, mail, energy and water, abolishing tuition fees, scrapping universal credit, implementing the Green New Deal and National Education Service.

 

https://keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/

 

There’s some stuff he’ll probably let go like free broadband and the employees’ ownership stake scheme, but he’s committed to all of the main economic policies that most matter to the membership, which basically means the 2017 manifesto.

Yeah, I saw that the other day after you last posted. It’s interesting, though not quite the same as the 2017 manifesto his lost does have a couple of things I had expect him to not want to bring forward. I appreciate you making that point, mate; it’s certainly not inline with him being an antisocialist, centrist POS. 

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32 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yeah, I saw that the other day after you last posted. It’s interesting, though not quite the same as the 2017 manifesto his lost does have a couple of things I had expect him to not want to bring forward. I appreciate you making that point, mate; it’s certainly not inline with him being an antisocialist, centrist POS. 


I certainly don’t think of him like that, I like him a lot. I’m just getting worrying Ed Miliband type vibes off him: fairly strong leftish impulses, but lacking the depth of conviction to stand by them in the face of opposition from the right, and ending up with a fudge that satisfies no-one, least of all the electorate. I hope I’m doing him a disservice.

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2 minutes ago, Neil G said:


I certainly don’t think of him like that, I like him a lot. I’m just getting worrying Ed Miliband type vibes off him: fairly strong leftish impulses, but lacking the depth of conviction to stand by them in the face of opposition from the right, and ending up with a fudge that satisfies no-one, least of all the electorate. I hope I’m doing him a disservice.

Oh, no. I was meaning other people (I think it was Red Phoenix in here that was suggesting he was hounding our socialists). I guess we will see how Miliband he is... I think he has a cutthroat ability that Miliband doesn’t have, and his career separates him out as somebody with conviction. Only time will tell, I guess. itll be interesting. 

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