Keir Starmer

[mattyq]

2 hours ago, clockspeed said:

Can understand the political passions in this thread and not looking for people to compromise their positions however  in bold is the bottom line. Starmer  is no John Smith And he is going to have a hard job positioning the party in order to get elected compromises need to be made on all sides and focus on the end goal which is ending Tory government .

Problem being that there was only 1 John Smith and I think our lives would be better if he'd lived for 5 more years

I saw his grave in Iona, Absolutely stunning location for a great man

[mattyq]

2 hours ago, clockspeed said:

Can understand the political passions in this thread and not looking for people to compromise their positions however  in bold is the bottom line. Starmer  is no John Smith And he is going to have a hard job positioning the party in order to get elected compromises need to be made on all sides and focus on the end goal which is ending Tory government .

Double post

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

 

Can you expand on that?

 

His approach to anti-Semitism appears to be "do whatever the Board of Deputies say".

His approach to anti-black racism  (from within the party) appears to be to turn a blind eye.

 

I hope I'm wrong. 

[Strontium]

Gnasher, look away now - Latest YouGov shows 34% would prefer Starmer as PM to Johnson's 32%.

[Gnasher]

35 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

Gnasher, look away now - Latest YouGov shows 34% would prefer Starmer as PM to Johnson's 32%.

Good.  I wanted Starmer to win the labour leadership and I hope he becomes prime minister, I'm just a little perplexed at the battles hes choosing to fight. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Good.  I wanted Starmer to win the labour leadership and I hope he becomes prime minister, I'm just a little perplexed at the battles hes choosing to fight. 

Then, rather than trying to make out as if I’m some right wing, Blair supporting nut job, which convinces absolutely nobody, why not actually just state what you’re confused about and we can discuss it like grown ups. 
 

He sacked Long-Bailey for not apologising.  Fair enough. Stupid shit from her. He - an undoubtedly superior legal expert - decided the best tactical method of dealing with that part of the antisemitism crisis that he inherited is to settle and move on rather than drag it out for potentially years. There’s a valid point that this doesn’t support Corbyn. Well, true, but his job is to make Labour electable, not to make Corbyn look good. Are those paid out to a bunch of shitheads? They may well be. Does it stick in the throat? For Corbyn supporters, undoubtedly. Is it the wrong long term move? Probably not. 
 

It’s really not that perplexing. 
 

Again, my main worry is the report advice. If it says to remove the whip, I can’t see him not doing it. It might even be the right thing to do, depending on the report, from a moral perspective. It’s almost certainly going to be the move that separates Labour from that crisis, but I think some of the Corbyn supporting MPs might leave and try to ‘pull an Umunna’. That will be the death of old fashioned left wing political representation in parliament though. Hopefully if the report says that, Corbyn has the good sense to do it himself. 

[Gnasher]

45 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

Then, rather than trying to make out as if I’m some right wing, Blair supporting nut job, which convinces absolutely nobody, why not actually just state what you’re confused about and we can discuss it like grown ups. 
 

He sacked Long-Bailey for not apologising.  Fair enough. Stupid shit from her. He - an undoubtedly superior legal expert - decided the best tactical method of dealing with that part of the antisemitism crisis that he inherited is to settle and move on rather than drag it out for potentially years. There’s a valid point that this doesn’t support Corbyn. Well, true, but his job is to make Labour electable, not to make Corbyn look good. Are those paid out to a bunch of shitheads? They may well be. Does it stick in the throat? For Corbyn supporters, undoubtedly. Is it the wrong long term move? Probably not. 
 

It’s really not that perplexing. 
 

Again, my main worry is the report advice. If it says to remove the whip, I can’t see him not doing it. It might even be the right thing to do, depending on the report, from a moral perspective. It’s almost certainly going to be the move that separates Labour from that crisis, but I think some of the Corbyn supporting MPs might leave and try to ‘pull an Umunna’. That will be the death of old fashioned left wing political representation in parliament though. Hopefully if the report says that, Corbyn has the good sense to do it himself. 

I think your getting mixed up with labelling people 'Corbyn supporters' when they just want fair play, justice and a socialist mandate to get behind. Although their are people who worship at the Pugh of personality politicians I dont think the numbers match your suggestions.

 

Your "does it stick in the throat? for Corbyn supporters yes" quote is where you downplay the severity of the crime. If the allegations are correct these people tried and succeeded in hijacking the labour party and worked against a labour victory.  They are the ones who played the personality game, they hated Corbyn so much their actions assisted a conservative victory.

 

I think it was Jarz on here who said he would have liked Corbyn to stand down when it was obvious he had no chance of winning the forthcoming election and I agree with that, so it's not about him it's more now about Starmer making himself hostage to people who do not have labour members hopes at heart.

 

It's not an unreasonable emotion that a lot of labour members are fuming at the Starmer decision on a payout. Its bigger than Corbyn. Its treacherous.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-saw-inside-how-labour-staff-worked-prevent-labour-government/

 

My personal view is I would have liked Corbyn to have mirrored the Sadam Hussein ploy and used his speech at the labour conference to name the right wing traitors one by one and have them taken out of the chamber and executed ie "' sorry jess you've been named now come with us to the car park you mouthy cunt" but there you go.

[Rocky Sullivan]

13 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

"so it's not about him it's more now about Starmer making himself hostage to people who do not have labour members hopes at heart."

The electorate?

[mattyq]

Apparently, it's the first time since June 2017 that  a Lab leader has been ahead of a Tory cunt leader on a Yougov poll.

I know this sounds a bit Evertonian but it's a start

[Section_31]

Who actually is this Rachael Swindon? Every other Tweet 'the left bible' tweets is her going on about 'Sir' Kier Starmer. 

 

Some of these Twitter feeds and blogs are outright bonkers. cookie-cutter views about everything, from Joe Biden (?) to Corbyn to Israel and Starmer, you name it. 

 

I used to wonder if a lot of these folks realised that the vast bulk of a the British public and probably a huge majority of traditional working class Labour voters, don't give a shit about most of it. But I suspect they don't care. A self-contained ecosystem of virtue signaling, Airfix kit opinions and perpetual outrage, the vast bulk of it now seemingly aimed at the post Corbyn Labour party. 

 

There's going to be years and years of this, nobody except Corbyn or Corbyn's choice will be palatable to them, they'll be lobbing Cherry bombs from the sidelines on Twitter and blogs and all the rest of it, getting selfies outside the Tory party conference and whatnot, and the Tories will capitalise on it again, and again. 

[Strontium]

10 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Who actually is this Rachael Swindon?again. 

 

She's a Corbynite grifter, like the Novara mob, Canary, Skwawkbox etc. Carved out a nice little niche for herself begging for money to fund her country club fees.

[Gnasher]

58 minutes ago, Rocky Sullivan said:

The electorate?

No the freinds of Israel mob.

[Gnasher]

47 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Who actually is this Rachael Swindon? Every other Tweet 'the left bible' tweets is her going on about 'Sir' Kier Starmer. 

 

Some of these Twitter feeds and blogs are outright bonkers. cookie-cutter views about everything, from Joe Biden (?) to Corbyn to Israel and Starmer, you name it. 

 

I used to wonder if a lot of these folks realised that the vast bulk of a the British public and probably a huge majority of traditional working class Labour voters, don't give a shit about most of it. But I suspect they don't care. A self-contained ecosystem of virtue signaling, Airfix kit opinions and perpetual outrage, the vast bulk of it now seemingly aimed at the post Corbyn Labour party. 

 

There's going to be years and years of this, nobody except Corbyn or Corbyn's choice will be palatable to them, they'll be lobbing Cherry bombs from the sidelines on Twitter and blogs and all the rest of it, getting selfies outside the Tory party conference and whatnot, and the Tories will capitalise on it again, and again. 

Nonsense 

 

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

Gnasher, look away now - Latest YouGov shows 34% would prefer Starmer as PM to Johnson's 32%.

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

He went up in the yougov one. 

[Section_31]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Nonsense 

 

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/

What's that link got to do with anything I posted?

[Gnasher]

9 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

What's that link got to do with anything I posted?

Your post seemed to suggest Starmer was receiving a hard time from the labour left whereas he has actually had a fairly smooth baptism. Now if you are really concerned with a labour lead getting injust stick I refer you to my link about Corbyn.

 

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/

[Gnasher]

14 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

He went up in the yougov one. 

And went down in that one. 

[Anubis]

 

 

 

 

Gap narrowing slightly on best leader but Johnson still ahead. Conservatives actually increased their lead on Westminster voting intention. 

[skend04]

Not really surprising when there's a recess so news is mainly focused on the Tory party. This is what tends to happen and it's all within margins of error too.

 

However, all those right wing, red wall, "working classes" still believe Boris is going to deliver them a magical Brexit fairy tale? Daft cunts.

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Not really surprising when there's a recess so news is mainly focused on the Tory party. This is what tends to happen and it's all within margins of error too.

 

However, all those right wing, red wall, "working classes" still believe Boris is going to deliver them a magical Brexit fairy tale? Daft cunts.

It should be surprising as we've 50 odd thousand dead. It might be the free money superman Rishi is dishing out that maintains the tory lead.

[Bruce Spanner]

26 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Not really surprising when there's a recess so news is mainly focused on the Tory party. This is what tends to happen and it's all within margins of error too.

 

However, all those right wing, red wall, "working classes" still believe Boris is going to deliver them a magical Brexit fairy tale? Daft cunts.

But we can go from a leading voice, with special exemptions, in the largest trading block in the world which has given us a position on the world stage far bigger than our situation would allow without it, where we are free to shape the laws and exempt ourselves from any we don’t agree with, or which bring into dispute our sovereignty and have a genuine chance to help shape major world policy to, well, whatever rises from the ashes of whatever has become of this pathetic little island.

 

I’d say it’s worth it.

 

 

[Bobby Hundreds]

22 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Not really surprising when there's a recess so news is mainly focused on the Tory party. This is what tends to happen and it's all within margins of error too.

 

However, all those right wing, red wall, "working classes" still believe Boris is going to deliver them a magical Brexit fairy tale? Daft cunts.

He is going to deliver it though. No deal is what they want. Many saying they'd take decades of misery for it.

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

He is going to deliver it though. No deal is what they want. Many saying they'd take decades of misery for it.

No deal is the ultimate fuck you to the political elite class who ‘they’ so despise, despite being the same peas from the very same pod. Just a bit chubbier, ganglier and never getting the girls.

 

No plan after that but it’s worth it to really show ‘em who’s won, and so what if some of their friends get obscenely rich and influential as a side effect.

 

Absolute scum

[mattyq]

10 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

He is going to deliver it though. No deal is what they want. Many saying they'd take decades of misery for it.

It's one thing to say they'd take decades of misery it's another thing to wake up in the morning on the dole with no prospects and the bank looking to take your house