Keir Starmer

[Arniepie]

26 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

I think Labour will make alot of gains over the next couple of years by virtue of not being Tories. I think it's a deliberate strategy given how fucking anonymous they've been over the state these cunts have got the country in.

There was a piece in the guardian I think which says they are divided on the way forward ,some of them think johnson is that much of a liability, they should just let him lead them to disaster.

[Arniepie]

23 minutes ago, Mathewbet1 said:

Keir Stramer is the opposite to Boris Johnson, says all the right things but has no charisma/personality, whereas Johnson says and does all the wrong things but has the charisma to pull it off and gets away with things like a slippery pig. There's something about Stramer as soon as he starts talking I immediately switch off.

I genuinely don't get the charisma viewpoint. 

Blair had charisna as did clinton. 

Johnson is an obnoxious,entitled, arrogant bumbling oaf.

I just don't see it.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

I genuinely don't get the charisma viewpoint. 

Blair had charisna as did clinton. 

Johnson is an obnoxious,entitled, arrogant bumbling oaf.

I just don't see it.

With Johnson you mean? Yeah, I don’t see the charisma either. 

[Rushies tash]

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I genuinely don't get the charisma viewpoint. 

Blair had charisna as did clinton. 

Johnson is an obnoxious,entitled, arrogant bumbling oaf.

I just don't see it.

I don't think it's charisma, I think it's that English thing of doing something "for a laugh". Voting for the bumbling twat is like subverting a vote to name a research vessel "Boaty McBoatface".

 

Edit: English, not British. I doubt too many Scots or Welsh find this cunt funny.

[Gnasher]

27 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

I think Labour will make alot of gains over the next couple of years by virtue of not being Tories.

Will they? They fought the recent council elections against a backdrop of the Prime Minister bagging himself a criminal record and a tory mp getting caught watching porn in the house of commons and the Labour Party still didn't make much of an impression. 

27 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

 

I think it's a deliberate strategy given how fucking anonymous they've been over the state these cunts have got the country in.

 

Under the circumstances Labour really should have a double figure poll.lead.

[Gnasher]

Just looked on oddschecker and the Conservatives are odds on to win most seats at the next election. 

 

Maybe Durham Police will come to Labours rescue and give Starmer and Ang a fixed penalty notice forcing resignations. Shame they can't fine the entire Labour shadow bench.

[Arniepie]

34 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

With Johnson you mean? Yeah, I don’t see the charisma either. 

Yep

It just baffles me.

Even if that's bumbling toff act,that's not something that would personally make me think that person is capable of running a country.

[skend04]

28 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Just looked on oddschecker and the Conservatives are odds on to win most seats at the next election. 

 

Maybe Durham Police will come to Labours rescue and give Starmer and Ang a fixed penalty notice forcing resignations. Shame they can't fine the entire Labour shadow bench.

Yawn.

[Duff Man]

Maybe his appeal had something to do with media bullshit. Or maybe everyone was just really impressed when he drove that tractor through a polystyrene wall emblazoned with the words Get Brexit Done, then ran off and hid in a fridge. Difficult to say, really.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Careful what you wish for, Gnasher. I have a suspicion that the 11 point lead Labour had in the latest SavantaComRes poll (which will surely hit 15 points after this week) will look like glory days if the ones wanted by the left of Labour replace everybody currently there, not only are they serial losers but they’ve got very little credibility either. I forgot, Mr Charisma, your boy Andy Burnham is going to save us from Tory hell. If you think my guru (who I recently said should be ousted if there’s a better option) and ‘my gal’ (who I said I dislike) are bad, you just wait until he starts shouting slogans and wheels out RLB and your gal Abbott. Enjoy Tory Britain for yet another 5 years. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Time to put your house on it. I mean, I’m pretty sure the saying is 2 years isn’t a long time in politics’. Yeah, pretty sure. 

[Gnasher]

16 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Careful what you wish for, Gnasher. I have a suspicion that the 11 point lead Labour had in the latest SavantaComRes poll (which will surely hit 15 points after this week) will look like glory days if the ones wanted by the left of Labour replace everybody currently there, not only are they serial losers but they’ve got very little credibility either. I forgot, Mr Charisma, your boy Andy Burnham is going to save us from Tory hell. If you think my guru (who I recently said should be ousted if there’s a better option) and ‘my gal’ (who I said I dislike) are bad, you just wait until he starts shouting slogans and wheels out RLB and your gal Abbott. Enjoy Tory Britain for yet another 5 years. 

Burham can't become leader as he isn't an MP, as for the rest the pool is very shallow. The Tories have the same problem.

[Gnasher]

14 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Time to put your house on it. I mean, I’m pretty sure the saying is 2 years isn’t a long time in politics’. Yeah, pretty sure. 

Two years for the Tories to get their act together, partygate will probably be a distant memory and the British media juggernaut will be right behind them once more.

 

Labour's best hope is the Conservatives incompetence tanking the economy,,which imo is a distinct possibility.

[Gnasher]

24 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Time to put your house on it. I mean, I’m pretty sure the saying is 2 years isn’t a long time in politics’. Yeah, pretty sure. 

Starmer as big as 11/2. Not sure what to make of that, I guess they are hedging Johnson not lasting till the next election.

[sir roger]

Not sure about him being charismatic, but Johnson does appear to have a sense of humour and occasionally shows some self-awareness. Starmer is deadly dull. While this shouldn't be a 'thing',  it appears to be for quite a portion of the electorate.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, Rushies tash said:

They really need one of their more straight talking MPs to say something along the lines of "these cunts always claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility, but the reality is the opposite. They borrow billions to fund tax cuts before fucking off to let Labour pick up the pieces". Or words to that effect.

 

5 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

They actually have. Quite a lot, quite loudly, and quite widely covered. Nandy has been taking no prisoners. 

There are a few myths about the Tory Party, the durability of which is a complete mystery to me: 

• the party of economic competence and responsibility (despite mountains of evidence that Labour are better on things like inflation, unemployment, the deficit, etc.)

• the party of law and order (if you don't count the law-breakers among the ranks of Tory MPs and ministers) 

• the party of patriotism (who flog off everything the country has in order to enrich themselves and their mates and who are jeopardising the existence of the UK with their twatty approach to Brexit)

• the party of family values (who keep cutting support for families) 

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 hours ago, sir roger said:

Not sure about him being charismatic, but Johnson does appear to have a sense of humour and occasionally shows some self-awareness. Starmer is deadly dull. While this shouldn't be a 'thing',  it appears to be for quite a portion of the electorate.

 

 

Johnson shows self-awareness? New one on me. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

Johnson shows self-awareness? New one on me. 

Only in the sense that he doesn't seem to acknowledge the existence of any other living human.

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Only in the sense that he doesn't seem to acknowledge the existence of any other living human.

Monkey want cake, monkey want poo, monkey want karaoke. 

[Gnasher]

15 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Have labour got any policies. I'm not being glib I've absolutely no fucking idea what labour stand for and speaking to people I know they feel the same. If there's some kind of message it's getting lost because the general consensus among people I know is the tories are fucking horrific but what are labour other than useless.

 

All will be revealed when they play the Echo in September;

 

"Labour plans policy blitz as Mandelson urges Starmer’s party to ‘raise its sights’ | The Independent" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/new-labour-peter-mandelson-jeremy-corbyn-conservative-party-liverpool-b2096713.html?amp

[Moctezuma]

5 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

There are a few myths about the Tory Party, the durability of which is a complete mystery to me: 

• the party of economic competence and responsibility (despite mountains of evidence that Labour are better on things like inflation, unemployment, the deficit, etc.)

• the party of law and order (if you don't count the law-breakers among the ranks of Tory MPs and ministers) 

• the party of patriotism (who flog off everything the country has in order to enrich themselves and their mates and who are jeopardising the existence of the UK with their twatty approach to Brexit)

• the party of family values (who keep cutting support for families) 

It's been pretty obvious for a while now that the Conservatives are the party of gangster kleptocrats, but their rule benefits the olds who own homes due to their endless attempts to inflate asset prices. Given this later group now form a huge part of the English electorate and vote 82% of the time and importantly are distributed evenly geographically (unlike the youngs) it's highly likely the Conservatives will keep winning elections, regardless of how flagrant the graft and corruption is.

[Moctezuma]

If they swapped Johnson for any old human from the tranche of right wing groups that they are embedded with they'd win a landslide. The press would be running puff pieces for days saying that Mr/Mrs XYZ's policies of tax-cutting and 'reform' (privatisation) will get the country on the right tracks*.

 

 

*while simultaneously ensuring that none of their assets and incomes are impinged enabling them to go to Tuscany/Provence, skiing and Cornwall (to check on the cottage) in the same year.

[Gnasher]

Latest on the Change UK tribute act;

 

 

"Poll says Keir Starmer worse choice for PM than Boris Johnson | Keir Starmer | The Guardian" https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/11/poll-says-keir-starmer-worse-choice-for-pm-than-boris-johnson

 

[sir roger]

I assume it's the electorate's fault ?

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I assume it's the electorate's fault ?

I blame the guardian for telling us.