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17 minutes ago, George Costanza said:

This country has been fucked for a long time & will only get worse.  Too many thick working class cunts voting Tory.  Labour being finished as a political party doesn't help.  The left and centre left faction has grown too wide and has basically split the party.  Starmer is a pathetic spineless wanker who in opposition to the worst government in the history of the country has done nothing to expose them. He must be a fucking shit lawyer as well as anyone with half a brain in his position could have the majority of the government on criminal charges.  The lies, deceit and money laundering is plain to see - there's a clear paper trail.

Fair play, hard to argue with any of that, depressing.

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12 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

The sad truth is that a sizeable portion of humanity have limited higher brain functions. They have brain stems and their thoughts don't tend to extend much beyond eating, drinking, shitting and fucking. 

 

These people, what the Nazis and Rome called 'the mob' can be mobilised and manipulated by unscrupulous people, prompted to give you power, even act as an army for you, if you push and prod them in the right ways. 

 

The reason the left loses this battle for the mob is it wrongly thinks they're capable of great things. Corbyn's labour was a good example of that. 'Let's build a movement from the ground up, learn, love and live together. To infinity and beyond!'

 

'Oh look. Chips.'

 

The right has no such misconceptions. Three word slogans and pictures of people in dinghies will do the trick.

Hard to argue with that as well, depressing.

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The Corbyn movement was massive and given more time would have flourished further.  It  emboldened a whole new younger generation in politics.  The problem was it was hamstrung on two accounts.  Corbyn isn't really a true leader, he's an idealist and a genuine proper campaigner.  While that is also is positive that he's a genuine person who actually gives a shit about people I think it stopped him & his team from really playing the political game which is now absolutely necessary in modern politics.  He failed to take on the mainstream media & make them accountable for their lies & biased reporting.  He also failed to be ruthless with the very vocal & influential centre left part of the party who in the end basically stabbed him in the back.  

 

I said it a few years ago that the whole world would be in such a better place if Corbyn & Sanders were national leaders but there's no chance the modern political machine would allow two genuinely nice people to be in charge.  There's simply too much dirty money flowing domestically & internationally to allow it to happen.

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I know this is the GF and its slightly off topic but you can guarantee the UK government intervened in favour of the Saudi takeover of Newcastle. 

 

That's the modern dirty, murky world of politics these days. Its fucking abhorrent.

 

They can do what they want as long as they keep buying our arms & keep oil prices down.

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8 hours ago, George Costanza said:

The Corbyn movement was massive and given more time would have flourished further.  It  emboldened a whole new younger generation in politics.  The problem was it was hamstrung on two accounts.  Corbyn isn't really a true leader, he's an idealist and a genuine proper campaigner.  While that is also is positive that he's a genuine person who actually gives a shit about people I think it stopped him & his team from really playing the political game which is now absolutely necessary in modern politics.  He failed to take on the mainstream media & make them accountable for their lies & biased reporting.  He also failed to be ruthless with the very vocal & influential centre left part of the party who in the end basically stabbed him in the back.  

 

I said it a few years ago that the whole world would be in such a better place if Corbyn & Sanders were national leaders but there's no chance the modern political machine would allow two genuinely nice people to be in charge.  There's simply too much dirty money flowing domestically & internationally to allow it to happen.

 

As a Corbynista, as some would no doubt put it, it is hard to argue with that.

 

Starmer was a good lawyer and DPP, but he’s been a massive disappointment in politics. And he’s thrown in with the wrong people instead of steering his own course.

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10 hours ago, George Costanza said:

 He must be a fucking shit lawyer as well as anyone with half a brain in his position could have the majority of the government on criminal charges.  The lies, deceit and money laundering is plain to see - there's a clear paper trail.

The Good Law Project and Every Doctor UK are actually doing this: taking the Government to court and winning. But there's no political pay-off for Labour, because the leadership is too busy chasing Jewish Socialists out of the Party.

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13 hours ago, George Costanza said:

The Corbyn movement was massive and given more time would have flourished further.  It  emboldened a whole new younger generation in politics.  The problem was it was hamstrung on two accounts.  Corbyn isn't really a true leader, he's an idealist and a genuine proper campaigner.  While that is also is positive that he's a genuine person who actually gives a shit about people I think it stopped him & his team from really playing the political game which is now absolutely necessary in modern politics.  He failed to take on the mainstream media & make them accountable for their lies & biased reporting.  He also failed to be ruthless with the very vocal & influential centre left part of the party who in the end basically stabbed him in the back.  

 

I said it a few years ago that the whole world would be in such a better place if Corbyn & Sanders were national leaders but there's no chance the modern political machine would allow two genuinely nice people to be in charge.  There's simply too much dirty money flowing domestically & internationally to allow it to happen.

Cant argue with much of that.

The only thing I would say that its border line impossible to take on the right wing media in this country without the full support of the people behind you and maybe some powerful friends. 

I'm not  sure he had either of that.

He was getting eviscerated on a daily basis and millions of simpletons believed what they were reading.

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9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

For those feeling depressed with the whole sorry outlook British pop singer Adele has cheery upbeat new song out today to brighten everyones spirits.

Fucking hell pass the paraquat!

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34 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

He won't be leader at the next election.

 

A mate of mine, who works adjacent to Labour and has dealings with the to brass constantly, has been telling me that Keir was never going to fight an election, unless it was called early.

 

He's been adamant about this since Starmer won the leadership.

 

His role was the Kinnock role and purely to 'reshape' the party and make it election ready.

 

There's a germ of truth to it, maybe.

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41 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

There are almost too many things starmer could go after Johnson for.

The fact that he chooses not too is quite frankly negelan

Errr I take it you missed the bit where he put Johnson 'on notice' - not sure how the tories can recover from that.

 

5 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

A mate of mine, who works adjacent to Labour and has dealings with the to brass constantly, has been telling me that Keir was never going to fight an election, unless it was called early.

 

He's been adamant about this since Starmer won the leadership.

 

His role was the Kinnock role and purely to 'reshape' the party and make it election ready.

 

There's a germ of truth to it, maybe.

I don't think he'll be leader at the next election, but it will have little to do with him having done what he was always supposed to do – think that would be like saying a certain owl-faced twat really did steady the ship for a certain sports team in 2010.

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1 hour ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

A mate of mine, who works adjacent to Labour and has dealings with the to brass constantly, has been telling me that Keir was never going to fight an election, unless it was called early.

 

He's been adamant about this since Starmer won the leadership.

 

His role was the Kinnock role and purely to 'reshape' the party and make it election ready.

 

There's a germ of truth to it, maybe.

 

Except he’s not making it election ready, as the utterly abominable poll numbers show. No-one wants wishy-washy centre-right horseshit, hence his appalling position in the polls. Supporters of Neo New Labour are clinging to conventional wisdom (elecShUns R 1 fRoM tHe CenTrE) against a government that has lurched from one extreme to the next. People aren’t “scared” of voting Labour as perhaps they were in the 80s and early 90s, they’re just thrilled that the Tories are kicking the people they want them to kick, regardless of the damage done to the country. This Labour Party is a horror show of incompetent, soulless and depraved ghouls who fucking love the status quo thank you very much and would rather it reaches the dystopian conclusion to which it’s heading than show an ounce of principle.

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There's a train of thought that Starmer was never supposed to win an election but rather was supposed to "squat" the leadership for long enough to pass rules preventing another Corbyn from arising. Given that those rule changes have been made it looks likely that this was the case. 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

There's a train of thought that Starmer was never supposed to win an election but rather was supposed to "squat" the leadership for long enough to pass rules preventing another Corbyn from arising. Given that those rule changes have been made it looks likely that this was the case. 

 

 

 

Fair enough, but it apparently also creates a party that appeals to no-one and can’t win elections as a result. I think the registered supporter scheme was stupid and am glad to see it dropped, but increasing the % of MP nominations required is a massive stitch-up. There was a considerable space between Corbyn and the right of the party that a competent, appealing and forward thinking leader could have made something of, but that’s gone now.
 

You’ll only be able to make the ballot if you’re staunchly on the right of the parliamentary party and completely disavow the left, and the sort of nightmarish technocrat that leads to is never going to spur people to go and vote in the way Johnson and co do.

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2 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

A mate of mine, who works adjacent to Labour and has dealings with the to brass constantly, has been telling me that Keir was never going to fight an election, unless it was called early.

 

He's been adamant about this since Starmer won the leadership.

 

His role was the Kinnock role and purely to 'reshape' the party and make it election ready.

 

There's a germ of truth to it, maybe.

Jesus! Kinnock led the party through 9 unspeakable years of Tory rule.

Say it ain't so!

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51 minutes ago, TheDrowningMan said:

 

Except he’s not making it election ready, as the utterly abominable poll numbers show. No-one wants wishy-washy centre-right horseshit, hence his appalling position in the polls. Supporters of Neo New Labour are clinging to conventional wisdom (elecShUns R 1 fRoM tHe CenTrE) against a government that has lurched from one extreme to the next. People aren’t “scared” of voting Labour as perhaps they were in the 80s and early 90s, they’re just thrilled that the Tories are kicking the people they want them to kick, regardless of the damage done to the country. This Labour Party is a horror show of incompetent, soulless and depraved ghouls who fucking love the status quo thank you very much and would rather it reaches the dystopian conclusion to which it’s heading than show an ounce of principle.

 

I think a lot of people were scared under Corby because of the manifesto. It promised

 

A million climate jobs

A £400 billion "national transformation fund"

A national and regional investment banks with £250 billion

A £150 billion social transformation fund

Year on year public section pay increases starting at 5%

Increasing health expenditure by 4.3% per year

Free broadband

A National Education Service

A National Energy Agency

A National Care Service

 

Free Broadband

Free Lifelong learning

 

And that's just a starting point. I think a lot of people were worried whether our currency could even take those kind of spending increases. Bear in mind that the above is a mere sliver of what is promised and its already in the trillions (I doubt "a million" climate jobs come cheap). 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The next election isn't until 2024. They don't award any medals to whoever is leading the marathon at the 13-mile mark.

True dat. But it would be nice to see any sign of how Labour are going to turn this shit around. I'd settle for any sign that anyone in the Party leadership had a half-decent idea of how to do it.

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Just now, Jordy Brouwer said:

 

I think a lot of people were scared under Corby because of the manifesto. It promised

 

A million climate jobs

A £400 billion "national transformation fund"

A national and regional investment banks with £250 billion

A £150 billion social transformation fund

Year on year public section pay increases starting at 5%

Increasing health expenditure by 4.3% per year

Free broadband

A National Education Service

A National Energy Agency

A National Care Service

 

Free Broadband

Free Lifelong learning

 

And that's just a starting point. I think a lot of people were worried whether our currency could even take those kind of spending increases. Bear in mind that the above is a mere sliver of what is promised and its already in the trillions (I doubt "a million" climate jobs come cheap). 

 

 

"Net spend!"

 

Those investments bring money in; they're no threat whatsoever to national finances (especially when coupled with fair taxation). They, were, however, used by the right-wing liars in the right-wing media to pretend that Labour's manifesto was uncosted (while ignoring the gaping holes in the Tory manifesto, of course). That created an impression that was probably the third-biggest factor against Labour in 2019, after "they want to stop Brexit" and "I don't like Corbyn". 

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14 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

 

I think a lot of people were scared under Corby because of the manifesto. It promised

 

A million climate jobs

A £400 billion "national transformation fund"

A national and regional investment banks with £250 billion

A £150 billion social transformation fund

Year on year public section pay increases starting at 5%

Increasing health expenditure by 4.3% per year

Free broadband

A National Education Service

A National Energy Agency

A National Care Service

 

Free Broadband

Free Lifelong learning

 

And that's just a starting point. I think a lot of people were worried whether our currency could even take those kind of spending increases. Bear in mind that the above is a mere sliver of what is promised and its already in the trillions (I doubt "a million" climate jobs come cheap). 

 

 

The 2019 manifesto was incompetent and said too much, but in practice the Tories have been proving time after time that finding / printing money is very, very easy when you don’t have to pretend you can’t because you’re on an ideological crusade to dismantle services and snuff out 100,000+ lives.

 

Had Labour settled on a (soft) Brexit policy post-2017, they might find themselves in a far better position today. Instead, Corbyn dallied miserably and allowed Starmer, in thrall to all manner of useless “people’s vote” unicorns, to finally embrace the second referendum in the run up to an election that initially saw the Tories polling at an all-time low due to their own failure to follow through on Brexit, making it all too easy to be cast aside as a party intent on ignoring “the will of the people”.

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1 hour ago, TheDrowningMan said:

 

Except he’s not making it election ready, as the utterly abominable poll numbers show. No-one wants wishy-washy centre-right horseshit, hence his appalling position in the polls. Supporters of Neo New Labour are clinging to conventional wisdom (elecShUns R 1 fRoM tHe CenTrE) against a government that has lurched from one extreme to the next. People aren’t “scared” of voting Labour as perhaps they were in the 80s and early 90s, they’re just thrilled that the Tories are kicking the people they want them to kick, regardless of the damage done to the country. This Labour Party is a horror show of incompetent, soulless and depraved ghouls who fucking love the status quo thank you very much and would rather it reaches the dystopian conclusion to which it’s heading than show an ounce of principle.

Excellent.

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6 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

"Net spend!"

 

Those investments bring money in; they're no threat whatsoever to national finances (especially when coupled with fair taxation). They, were, however, used by the right-wing liars in the right-wing media to pretend that Labour's manifesto was uncosted (while ignoring the gaping holes in the Tory manifesto, of course). That created an impression that was probably the third-biggest factor against Labour in 2019, after "they want to stop Brexit" and "I don't like Corbyn". 

Do you actually believe that? That you can spend trillions and it has zero effect on the nation credit, currency integrity and national finances?

 

I think that's what people find scary, Angry. 

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