Keir Starmer

[sir roger]

Obviously some cobblers in there  but we do and should support ' taking the knee ' surely ?

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Obviously some cobblers in there  but we do and should support ' taking the knee ' surely ?

Yes, of course, but that’s not the point.

 

Its been knocked up by the opposition to stoke the culture wars nonsense using Labour branding.

 

Seems like it’s been a shit show up there, even with the sister of a murdered MP not being safe from the baying mob.

 

Shameful.

[Kepler-186]

Depressing, but the prospective MP

should have told that guy the sky fairy isn’t in charge of the UK education policy and anything that promotes equality and understanding is better than a patriarchal religion. That’s why I’m posting here instead of trying to get into parliament! I’ve done some local

issue stuff, and it’s exhausting but also worrying how little some people pay attention. 

[Jack the Sipper]

3 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

Galloway is basically a left wing version of Farage now, further splitting the traditional  Labour vote. He reckons that it's between him and the Tories now in the by election and that Labour will finish third or fourth. 

 

I'm not sure I could even call him left wing anymore. What left winger urges the electorate to vote Tory? What left winger mocks people for having working class accents? 

 

There's two terms that come to mind that I would use to describe him before 'left wing' - 'Tory enabler' and 'narcissist'.

 

[Anubis]

2 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Yes, of course, but that’s not the point.

 

Its been knocked up by the opposition to stoke the culture wars nonsense using Labour branding.

 

Seems like it’s been a shit show up there, even with the sister of a murdered MP not being safe from the baying mob.

 

Shameful.

I’ve seen a couple of individuals having a go at her, but. I baying mobs. Can you link to the footage please.

[Red Phoenix]

4 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

Starmer has been shite but he’s correct about anti social behaviour, it destroys many, many decent people’s lives. Why am I not surprised that that absolute fucking whopper Jones doesn’t see this

 

I'm not a big fan of Owen Jones but I think he's more bothered about the timing of it when there's a lack of effective opposition during the pandemic.

 

He interviewed Galloway too when he went to Batley, they both seemed fine with each other then as soon as they were back on twitter they were hurling shit again. That to me shows the type of task a Labour leader should be dealing with as well, looking at people on the left that have views as different as Galloway and Jones and finding some way that they can still agree to vote for Labour. At the moment that's clearly not working at all and maybe it's signs of a bigger split occuring.

 

Jones also interviewed the Labour candidate Leadbeater who said that "people are sick of hearing that there's a magic money tree." Besides being a Tory line the amount of cash that's been found during this pandemic (and bailing out bankers) shows that there's magic money trees all over the place when needed. It seemed out of touch to say the least.

 

I don't think Galloway is perfect either at all but he's now facing a lot of the muppets from Labour and the media that helped take Corbyn down so he's also having to deal with a fair share of shit too.

 

I'm not sure if this is real either, mad if it is :

 

 

And I don't see how this has been a good idea :

 

 

[Megadrive Man]

3 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Yes, of course, but that’s not the point.

 

Its been knocked up by the opposition to stoke the culture wars nonsense using Labour branding.

 

Seems like it’s been a shit show up there, even with the sister of a murdered MP not being safe from the baying mob.

 

Shameful.

 

The worrying thing is, I don't see any way back from this sort of 'politics' now, and expect it to get worse.

 

It's a race to the bottom, the idea that you can win on a good honest, clean campaign is fanciful, it's all about manipulating the data to make your argument and deliberately misleading the public as much as you can to get them on your side. 

 

Come the next election there will be deep fakes of mp's saying things they didn't actually say circulating across whatsapp groups, and by the time they have come to light it will be too late as the damage will have been done. 

 

Look at the state of the Brexit campaign and the 2019 GE campaign. The Tories sent out targeted adverts on Facebook twisting things that Corbyn had said to make it look like he was attacking the constituents. The Lib Dems sent out leaflets with completely misleading bar charts suggesting that they were the only party that could stop the Tories etc 

 

It's not just shameful it's depressing. 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

7 hours ago, Anubis said:

I’ve seen a couple of individuals having a go at her, but. I baying mobs. Can you link to the footage please.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/27/labour-activists-allegedly-egged-kicked-batley-and-spen-campaign-trail

 

One in a number of incidents.

[Anubis]

4 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/27/labour-activists-allegedly-egged-kicked-batley-and-spen-campaign-trail

 

One in a number of incidents.

 

Yes, I saw that, but that isn’t Leadbeater. And you specifically mentioned her because of her dead sister.

 

The whole by-election appears to be a shitshow. There have been fake Labour leaflets about taking the knee, and now the Tories are accusing Labour of stoking racial division (no sniggering at the back) for putting out this leaflet.

 

[Bruce Spanner]

14 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

Yes, I saw that, but that isn’t Leadbeater. And you specifically mentioned her because of her dead sister.

 

The whole by-election appears to be a shitshow. There have been fake Labour leaflets about taking the knee, and now the Tories are accusing Labour of stoking racial division (no sniggering at the back) for putting out this leaflet.

 

 

'Leadbeater, who is the sister of former MP Jo Cox who was murdered in the constituency in 2016, was confronted by a man who challenged her over the situation in Kashmir and her stance on LGBT+ education in schools amid what he said were concerns from Muslim parents.

 

But in a video that circulated online, Leadbeater was seen to ask the man not to shout at her, before turning away and being pursued and heckled by a group.

 

In the video, he raises his voice at Leadbeater, who responds by repeatedly asking why he would shout at her in the street. Ms Leadbeater then leaves and is pursued by a group to a car.

 

She later alleged that opponent and former MP George Galloway, who is standing for his Workers Party, had been laughing nearby. Galloway claimed it was a “false statement” and, asked whether he would condemn the behaviour, he said: “Absolutely.”'

 

From the article above.

 

Despite the truth being somewhere in the middle it sounds like an absolute shit show, from all involved, especially Galloway who is only up there to sow division and stoke his ego, prick.

 

You would think that in the consituancy of someone who had been radicalised by this nationalistic nonsense there would be a sense of perspective, but fuck that, why bother. An MP was fucking murdered in cold blood there a couple of years back, this is not normal.

 

I repeat, pricks.

[Anubis]

My point was one shouty bloke is not a baying mob.

 

Anyway, whilst I realise how much of a polarising influence Bastani is on here, this is worth a read. Galloway is very much a protest vote, but one symptomatic of much more complex issues. One which Labour clearly are not getting to grips with. What is concerning is that the sort of organisation that invited Galloway into B&S is occurring elsewhere. In the Twitter conversation linked to the article AB also makes the point that he thinks disbanding the community organising unit at Labour was a mistake and is feeding into this.

 

https://novaramedia.com/2021/06/25/its-only-the-start-george-galloways-bid-for-batley-and-spen-could-leave-starmer-staring-into-the-abyss/

[Captain Turdseye]

I didn’t realise until she popped up on (regional) Sunday Politics at the weekend, the girl who stood for us against Hancock last time left the party for the Greens when Starmer became leader. She wasn’t in our branch but she was the best we had to put forward in West Suffolk, going by the hustings we did at the time. If there was an election tomorrow we’d probably have nothing more than a paper candidate. 

[Jack the Sipper]

 

 

[Anubis]

Another decent article on Batley & Spen from an independent journalist. Nobody comes out of it well, Galloway least of all.

 

https://unherd.com/2021/06/the-toxic-battle-for-batley-and-spen/

 

I do find the criticism that Leadbeater only joined Labour weeks before she was made the candidate. I am pretty sure she was a member before she resigned to administer Jo Cox’s charity.  

[Bruce Spanner]

Really good article from the Huff Post about the realities of where we are currently.

 

A good, and honest, read and well worth ten minutes of your time.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/can-keir-starmer-bounce-back-from-a-batley-and-spen-by-election-loss_uk_60d8b276e4b066ff5abb91fa

[Kepler-186]

Red wall wools. Imagine voting for the people that put your parents and grandparents on the dole, and sold off the country’s assets. Great read about the realities of what Labour and Starmer are up against, though. 

[Anubis]

I’ve read it previously. It’s textbook as to why Labour are going to continue to decline. 

[sir roger]

The first part was interesting enough and then it just fell into the calling anybody with socialist leanings 'cranks' and 'loonies' and drifted into Mandelson-like banalities. We were assured by all the usual suspects that all Starmer needed to do was to distance himself from Corbyn and show off his nice hair and the Tories would be on the run. Well he has done that with a vengeance whether within or outside the rules and he's even worse in the shit than 14 months ago. Now we are told that millions of voters are desperately praying that Starmer can change the electoral college at conference before they vote for them. These fucking centrist self-serving chancers would make a cat laugh.

[Bruce Spanner]

 

New comms team on point!

 

I'd go for a pint with this hilarious fucker.

[Kepler-186]

Nothing from the former human rights lawyer about a key witness in Assange trial admitting to lying. Doesn’t play with the England supporting focus groups. 

[Bruce Spanner]

3 minutes ago, Kepler-186 said:

Nothing from the former human rights lawyer about a key witness in Assange trial admitting to lying. Doesn’t play with the England supporting focus groups. 

 

The comments are a thing of warped, echo chamber beauty.

[Kepler-186]

10 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

The comments are a thing of warped, echo chamber beauty.

The internet used to be boss. Now look

at it. No wonder the kids are all tick tocking or whatever! 

[Bruce Spanner]

2 minutes ago, Kepler-186 said:

The internet used to be boss. Now look

at it. No wonder the kids are all tick tocking or whatever! 

 

 

[Kepler-186]

22 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

 

Boss, cheered me right up that! 

 

[Leyton388]

Hes fucking useless.