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It's an existential dilemma for Labour. The working class vote had often gone to Labour because it was tied up with unionised working rather than, I'd say, any great affinity with socialism or Liberal ideals. Take away unions and even the concept of mass working clsss employment and what are you left with? A lot of people who don't engage with politics at all, or only do so when it gives them a chance to give "someone else" a kicking.

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8 minutes ago, Preston Red said:

Hartlepool is a hotbed of racists and thick cunts. Go for a night out there and you'll see what I mean.

 

 

Years of chronic underinvestment, devisive rhetoric and decline will do that to a place.

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50 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Regarding Hartlepool, it looks like Operation Blame The Last Guy has been launched and is about to go into full swing. 

 

Plus, if the polling results do hold up in the actual vote, I can see the NIP lot getting a chunk of blame too as, despite lots of Labour right classing them as a "joke," they're polling at around 6% which is quite impressive for a party that's only been going for a few months. 

 

You really can't complain though when you push people away for the party and they, naturally, look for alternative representation. 


He can fuck off with this shit.

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Anubis said:


He can fuck off with this shit.

 

 

 

 

Not the full quote, of course.

 

He went on to say that this was all on him, results and all, as he is leader, but this is a five year project towards the next GE and it will take time for Labour to regain trust after the last election which he was part of.

 

Which is fair to say.

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A few things have gone well for the Tories. We are coming out of lockdown and the vaccination program has gone well, the EU fucking up their Covid response has also made the tories look competent. 

 

Sunaks free cheques to the self employed and furlough scheme has gone down well.

 

House prices are booming. Bullshit economics i know but to an awful lot of people it's the be all and end all. The threat of a price slump after Brexit failed to materialise which has eased some peoples worries. 

 

The weather's turning and summer is on the way. People feel better about things in the summer, its why the old fox Harold Wilson always tried to call a June election. 

 

All of the above will change in time. The free money will stop, Brexit will eventually bite, house prices will stagnate and weather will turn foul. 

 

Labour needs to hold its nerve, hope Bidens economic stimulus works and put forward the same vision for Britain when the tories fuck the economy up with austerity, which they will.

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43 minutes ago, Preston Red said:

Hartlepool is a hotbed of racists and thick cunts. Go for a night out there and you'll see what I mean.

 

I've been told they love their animals though.

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If you are not happy with the direction the party has voted to take, well you should be brave enough to go and start your own party and stand on your believes.

 

I can't believe you have gone and started your own party, you splitter Tory enabling cunts.

 

 

Trying to maybe over thinking it, maybe NIP are doing better than people thought due to tactical voting. I know the results aren't in. If I was a lefties Marxist and wanted to sent Labour a massage then I would vote NIP. Tories have an 80 seat majority, this result will make no difference in the grand scheme. However if NIP can get enough votes, then maybe it will force Labour to reingage.

 

Like UKIP forced Tories to the right.

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21 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

A few things have gone well for the Tories. We are coming out of lockdown and the vaccination program has gone well, the EU fucking up their Covid response has also made the tories look competent. 

 

Sunaks free cheques to the self employed and furlough scheme has gone down well.

 

House prices are booming. Bullshit economics i know but to an awful lot of people it's the be all and end all. The threat of a price slump after Brexit failed to materialise which has eased some peoples worries. 

 

The weather's turning and summer is on the way. People feel better about things in the summer, its why the old fox Harold Wilson always tried to call a June election. 

 

All of the above will change in time. The free money will stop, Brexit will eventually bite, house prices will stagnate and weather will turn foul. 

 

Labour needs to hold its nerve, hope Bidens economic stimulus works and put forward the same vision for Britain when the tories fuck the economy up with austerity, which they will.

Not to the 3 million that were excluded it didn't.

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I still think Johnson is the Tories' only weapon in the red wall, unless they find someone equally offensive. Gove wouldn't do any damage in Hartlepool I suspect. 

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23 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Not to the 3 million that were excluded it didn't.

Do you disagree that Britain's vaccination program has been far superior to the EUs and has also on the whole been successful?

 

Sorry, misread, yeah I agree, the 3 million missed was/is a scandal.

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2 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I still think Johnson is the Tories' only weapon in the red wall, unless they find someone equally offensive. Gove wouldn't do any damage in Hartlepool I suspect. 

He's certainly a fucking weapon.

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1 hour ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Years of chronic underinvestment, devisive rhetoric and decline will do that to a place.

That's true.

 

Friends of my mum and dad live there and it has been left to rot. Yet they all fall into the "immigrants, lefties and Labour are to blame" due to believing the propaganda of the Tory press and ergo vote Tory. Hartlepool twinned with Stockholm Syndrome.

24 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I've been told they love their animals though.

Everything bar monkeys, allegedly.

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46 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Not the full quote, of course.

 

He went on to say that this was all on him, results and all, as he is leader, but this is a five year project towards the next GE and it will take time for Labour to regain trust after the last election.

 

Which is fair to say.

Starting point for me isn’t 1935. It’s 2019. And Labour are the incumbents having won the seat. And despite him saying he accepts responsibility, he’s tempered that by going on about 2019, so it’s slightly disingenuous.

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2 minutes ago, Preston Red said:

 

Everything bar monkeys, allegedly.


They love monkeys, now that they know they are monkeys and not French sailors.

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Just now, Anubis said:

They love monkeys, now that they know they are monkeys and not French sailors.

Sad that it happened but incredibly funny when you consider they actually thought it was a spy/foreign sailor.

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5 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Starting point for me isn’t 1935. It’s 2019. And Labour are the incumbents having won the seat. And despite him saying he accepts responsibility, he’s tempered that by going on about 2019, so it’s slightly disingenuous.

 

Maybe, but it is significant and needs to be addressed without the tories being able to use it as some sort of attack.

 

The vote share for Hartlepool was 38% Labour, 29% Conservative, 26% Brexit Party, so even though Labour won, they won through vote split it could be argued.

 

The rest of the interview was terrible though.

 

He had twenty minutes on Today and he said so little it was painful, they did drag him out over vaccine procurement though and he didn't have an answer.

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29 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Good to see that Gnasher has identified the really big story in Hartlepool, which is the Lib Dem vote dropping from 4.1% last time to probably half of that now.

Hmmm? or as Pickard points out 30% to 1% in twelve years. 

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Brexit Bozza was always going to beat Remainer Starmer. I think people underestimate how much Brexiteers despise Starmer, which means he has almost no chance of taking back the red wall seats. 

 

Part of the success of Corbyn in 2017 was that he was viewed as a Euro sceptic, against clear remainer May. 

 

The interesting thing is that it appears that the Tories have had enough of Johnson, yet he is going to be difficult to shift if they keep gaining seats and he stays popular in the polls.

 

If must be fucking infuriating for Starmer being beaten by this incompetent buffoon. 

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21 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Brexit Bozza was always going to beat Remainer Starmer. I think people underestimate how much Brexiteers despise Starmer, which means he has almost no chance of taking back the red wall seats. 

 

Part of the success of Corbyn in 2017 was that he was viewed as a Euro sceptic, against clear remainer May. 

 

The interesting thing is that it appears that the Tories have had enough of Johnson, yet he is going to be difficult to shift if they keep gaining seats and he stays popular in the polls.

 

If must be fucking infuriating for Starmer being beaten by this incompetent buffoon. 

Dunno about the Corbyn brexiteer appeal, I see Corbyn, Brexit and Johnson as all having fundamentally the same appeal, that they're outsiders and something the establishment is perceived to be against.

 

Problem for Corbyn is that the world moved so fast he was very quickly no longer a novelty. 

 

If you had Starmer vs May now you'd have something resembling old fashioned traditional politics, Johnson is still perceived as the loose cannon, a wrecking ball just like brext was, and it's for that reason he appeals to people who are angry, even if they don't always know why.

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5 hours ago, Anubis said:


They love monkeys, now that they know they are monkeys and not French sailors.

Someone should've went there are started a whispering rumour Boris Johnson has really got a funny french sounding name which means he's probably a french spy.

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I have few words...

 

'Fewer than half of recent Labour voters in Hartlepool say they will back the party in Thursday’s crucial byelection, according to internal data based on the canvassing of more than 10,000 people, leading activists to fear a historic Conservative victory.

 

Labour insiders said polling from its ground campaign in the town showed only about 40% of the party’s previous supporters had pledged to vote for its candidate, Paul Williams.

 

Such an outcome would deal a significant blow to Keir Starmer’s leadership and a decisive Conservative win in a north-east England seat that has elected a Labour MP at every parliamentary election since 1964.

 

Labour sources said they were in “huge trouble” in Hartlepool and also in danger of losing control of Sunderland and Durham councils for the first time in half a century. Voters across England, Scotland and Wales will go to the polls on what has been dubbed “Super Thursday”, in the biggest set of local and devolved parliament elections since 1973.'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/04/internal-polling-suggests-labour-heading-for-defeat-in-hartlepool-byelection

 

We'll have to wait and see and hope this is a 'get 'em out and voting' push, but not sounding good.

 

 

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