Keir Starmer

[Section_31]

I think as long as the whole of the media is ranged against labour they're fucked. In the week the Huffington Post was eviscerated GBTV continued to make big money hires bankrolled by twats.

 

It's strange as in the States the situation is reversed, only fox news and crank YouTube channels root for the bad guys.

[RedKnight]

Britain's 'illustrious' past has right wing views baked into the foundations.

[Gnasher]

13 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:

The real test for members will be how many decide not to actively campaign next time there’s a GE. The only reason I’ve been out this week is that two of my friends are the ones on the leaflets standing for the council. When there’s a GE and there’s door knocking involved, I can easily see plenty not bothering. It’s hard to put forward a case for Starmer to be PM now. The main thing he’s got going for himself is the fact that he’s not Boris Johnson. 

I fail to understand why are refusing to equate the Corbyn stitch up in October with the downturn in Labours poll ratings, it mat not be the only factor but its the major one. 

 

Starmer was doing OK until the disastrous labour suicide pact in October. Their are still a lot of left leaning socialists in Britain, not enough to win an election but more than enough to damage Labour party standings if/when they decide to withdraw their support.

 

Starmer takes poll lead in September. Labour suspends socialist from Labour in October, Starmers poll ratings plummet ever since. Make off that what you will. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/26/labour-takes-poll-lead-as-parties-see-major-switch-in-fortunes

[Captain Turdseye]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I fail to understand why are refusing to equate the Corbyn stitch up in October with the downturn in Labours poll ratings, it mat not be the only factor but its the major one. 

 

Starmer was doing OK until the disastrous labour suicide pact in October. Their are still a lot of left leaning socialists in Britain, not enough to win an election but more than enough to damage Labour party standings if/when they decide to withdraw their support.

 

Starmer takes poll lead in September. Labour suspends socialist from Labour in October, Starmers poll ratings plummet ever since. Make off that what you will. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/26/labour-takes-poll-lead-as-parties-see-major-switch-in-fortunes

If you were only polling Labour members I’ve got no doubt his approval rating will have taken a hammering after that. Polling the public at large, yes, there’s obviously a few other things to factor in. The vaccine rollout is the major one. It’s seen a big swing to the Tories. 
 

Labour ‘infighting’ obviously isn’t a good look but a lot of people hate Corbyn. They probably had a right old laugh at him getting suspended. 

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

If you were only polling Labour members I’ve got no doubt his approval rating will have taken a hammering after that. Polling the public at large, there’s obviously a few other things to factor in. The vaccine rollout being the main one. 
 

Labour ‘infighting’ obviously isn’t a good look but a lot of people hate Corbyn. They probably had a right old laugh at him getting suspended. 

Surprisingly he’s quite popular within the party according to polls, though with most polls they need to taken with a pinch of salt.

 

I suppose all ‘the left’ tore their membership up so wouldn’t be included.

 

‘New research published by YouGov this morning has found that while Labour members said that they are largely supportive of Keir Starmer, they are split over the party’s chances of success at a future general election.

 

The view of the Labour leader among members was largely positive – 74% favourable and 24% unfavourable. Shadow Foreign Secretary Lisa Nandy ranked a close second with 69% having a positive opinion of her and 16% not.

But 84% of respondents to the survey said that the Conservatives would win a snap election if held the next day, and members were split over a 2024 election result, with 43% saying that Labour would win and 40% predicting a Tory victory.’

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/labourlist.org/2021/04/members-approve-of-starmer-in-poll-but-are-split-over-partys-electoral-chances/%3Famp

 

 

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

If you were only polling Labour members I’ve got no doubt his approval rating will have taken a hammering after that. Polling the public at large, yes, there’s obviously a few other things to factor in. The vaccine rollout is the major one. It’s seen a big swing to the Tories. 
 

Labour ‘infighting’ obviously isn’t a good look but a lot of people hate Corbyn. They probably had a right old laugh at him getting suspended. 

The vaccine rollout is an obvious plus for the tories but Starmers popularity peaked just before he practically split the party by trying to throw out Corbyn and shoehorn in the likes of Ruth Smeeth. The Starmer popularity graph since then tells the story.

 

I didn't understand the Labour purge of the left and this lurch to the right, that new Change uk centre party died a death and the libs are struggling. An example could be taken from the states where left wing voters deserted the Hillary Clinton brand of overseas wars and middle ground capitalist fudge. Its a vote loser.

[sir roger]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I fail to understand why are refusing to equate the Corbyn stitch up in October with the downturn in Labours poll ratings, it mat not be the only factor but its the major one. 

 

Starmer was doing OK until the disastrous labour suicide pact in October. Their are still a lot of left leaning socialists in Britain, not enough to win an election but more than enough to damage Labour party standings if/when they decide to withdraw their support.

 

Starmer takes poll lead in September. Labour suspends socialist from Labour in October, Starmers poll ratings plummet ever since. Make off that what you will. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/26/labour-takes-poll-lead-as-parties-see-major-switch-in-fortunes

I think its just a numbers thing for me , Gnasher .

If we are looking at disaffected Labour members , RBL polled 135k votes , and the overall polling amount of 30m in the general election are quite disparate figures.

 

I would say however that the three-quarters of Labour members think he is doing a good job figure seems high and wonder if the high figures for the Tories aligned with this suggest the polling pool is a bit more moderate.

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I think its just a numbers thing for me , Gnasher .

If we are looking at disaffected Labour members , RBL polled 135k votes , and the overall polling amount of 30m in the general election are quite disparate figures.

 

I would say however that the three-quarters of Labour members think he is doing a good job figure seems high and wonder if the high figures for the Tories aligned with this suggest the polling pool is a bit more moderate.

Yeah maybe. The tory lead if going to be hard to breech without a united party with a radical agenda in my opinion.. Starmers making the wrong enemies 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/uk-voters-want-jeremy-corbyns-radical-change-theyre-not-sure-they-want-him/2019/11/22/9e457b18-0bb4-11ea-8054-289aef6e38a3_story.html

[Captain Turdseye]

26 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I think its just a numbers thing for me , Gnasher .

If we are looking at disaffected Labour members , RBL polled 135k votes , and the overall polling amount of 30m in the general election are quite disparate figures.

 

I would say however that the three-quarters of Labour members think he is doing a good job figure seems high and wonder if the high figures for the Tories aligned with this suggest the polling pool is a bit more moderate.

Not sure of the exact wording in the poll Bruce posted but in the article it says 74% ‘favourable’ and not necessarily 74% think he’s doing a good job. Maybe they’re just attracted to his chiselled jaw and super masculine voice. 

[Rico1304]

I mean, who wouldn’t vote for this?

 

 

[Section_31]

55 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I mean, who wouldn’t vote for this?

 

 

 

As opposed to this?

 

Can't really take the individual quirks of some ordinary Joe running to be Councillor for Bodelwyddan South as representative of the wider party.

[Rico1304]

20 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

As opposed to this?

 

Can't really take the individual quirks of some ordinary Joe running to be Councillor for Bodelwyddan South as representative of the wider party.

Who said that? Not me.  

[Captain Turdseye]

Steve from Manchester. Not for me. 

[Denny Crane]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

I mean, who wouldn’t vote for this?

 

 

You know how some may view Steve that is how some view the Waitrose warriors who waved their EU flags and dressed up in EU costumes. 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

25 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

You know how some may view Steve that is how some view the Waitrose warriors who waved their EU flags and dressed up in EU costumes. 

 

 

 

 

We've had Labour, we've had Tory, let's not leave the main man out

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I've just read that Labour have admitted that they have secretly been using the 2018 Code of Conduct on Anti-Semitism (which was withdrawn after the usual lying liars lied about it "rejecting" the IHRA Working Definition).  Apparently, they've been referring to it in disciplinary cases for members accused of anti-Semitism.   This has gone on under both Corbyn and Starmer.

 

What a fucking shambles this party is. Firstly, when drafting the Code of Conduct they should have referenced all 11 examples, not just the 10 and a half that they did. Secondly, they should have stuck to their guns and implemented it properly.  And thirdly, they should have realised that a secret Code of Conduct is absurd and worthless: the whole point of any code of conduct is to let people know what behaviour is or isn't acceptable. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

We've had Labour, we've had Tory, let's not leave the main man out

 

 

Nothing wrong with that. There's a Union Flag in the background, so he looks perfectly electable.

[Gnasher]

He's in the news again, unfortunately it's not for the right reasons 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

I'll put this one in the "you don't fucking say" file.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/19/labour-will-never-govern-unless-it-can-appeal-again-to-working-class-report

[Bjornebye]

On 18/04/2021 at 11:30, Gnasher said:

 

We've had Labour, we've had Tory, let's not leave the main man out

 

 

Diets going well I see @Strontium Dog™ 

[Gnasher]

 

 

Oh Gawd.

[Gnasher]

What the fuck..

 

 

 

 

Edit.. the joys of the campaign trail, the fella comes across as a loon (not Starmer)

[Bjornebye]

12 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

What the fuck..

 

 

 

Fuck that landlord, whiney tory gobshite. 

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Fuck that landlord, whiney tory gobshite. 

 

Full exchange.

 

'Sir Keir Starmer was confronted by a lockdown-skeptic pub landlord in Bath today, who made no bones about his disillusionment in the Labour leadership.

 

Footage shows Starmer being questioned by the landlord of the Raven pub on Queen Street, who argued that “we have f*cked the economy because old people are dying”.

 

The exchange soon became heated, with the landlord telling Starmer he had “failed him.”

“I have been a Labour voter my entire life, you have failed to be the opposition. You have failed to ask whether lockdown was functioning”.

 

He then questioned why children needed to wear a mask in schools, prompting a pointed response from Starmer who said “I really don’t need lecturing from you about this pandemic”.'

 

Big win in the Keith column for me here...

[Gnasher]

6 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Full exchange.

 

'Sir Keir Starmer was confronted by a lockdown-skeptic pub landlord in Bath today, who made no bones about his disillusionment in the Labour leadership.

 

Footage shows Starmer being questioned by the landlord of the Raven pub on Queen Street, who argued that “we have f*cked the economy because old people are dying”.

 

The exchange soon became heated, with the landlord telling Starmer he had “failed him.”

“I have been a Labour voter my entire life, you have failed to be the opposition. You have failed to ask whether lockdown was functioning”.

 

He then questioned why children needed to wear a mask in schools, prompting a pointed response from Starmer who said “I really don’t need lecturing from you about this pandemic”.'

 

Big win in the Keith column for me here...

 

 I don't really understand why Starmer went inside the idiots pub.