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1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Its Labours fault that the Tories/Murdoch manipulate the media narrative so that thick people fall for it and go and vote for them? 

 

Jesus. 

I think if you want people to vote for you, saying they are thick and gullible is not a great starting point. Until that narrative changes, nothing else will. 

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The whole brexit scenario sums up British politics. Blatent lying for self serving purposes backed by the right wing media. Very little scrutiny to claims until after the damage was done.  

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3 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I think if you want people to vote for you, saying they are thick and gullible is not a great starting point. Until that narrative changes, nothing else will. 

Have Labour said this? 

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3 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I think if you want people to vote for you, saying they are thick and gullible is not a great starting point. Until that narrative changes, nothing else will. 

Although it doesn't mean they aren't thick and gullible.

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4 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

I'm sure the difference is huge mate not denying that but yes they do "Ignore, Lie, Deflect"  

Which is why I said Labour are turd at politics, where is the fight and nastiness? Corbyn just let every fucker walk all over him, his lack of fight really pissed me off and Starmer is terrified of his own shadow. Milliband, miiliefandom, fuck off. You need ambitious nasty fuckers, Blair was ruthless and was backed up by proper switched on twats like Mandelson and Campbell who knew exactly how to play the game and twatted anybody who got in the way. That’s what it takes for Labour to win power. When will the penny drop?

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6 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

The tories know full well we are.

If only the people whose interests were actually represented by the Conservative party voted for them they'd be a fringe party that would have maybe a handful of seats in the absolute richest constituencies in the country.

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1 minute ago, Captain Howdy said:

Which is why I said Labour are turd at politics, where is the fight and nastiness? Corbyn just let every fucker walk all over him, his lack of fight really pissed me off and Starmer is terrified of his own shadow. Milliband, miiliefandom, fuck off. You need ambitious nasty fuckers, Blair was ruthless and was backed up by proper switched on twats like Mandelson and Campbell who knew exactly how to play the game and twatted anybody who got in the way. That’s what it takes for Labour to win power. When will the penny drop?

Yes, the actual ideology of democratic socialism, social democracy, or simply a tiny bit to the left of the Tory party, is irrelevant if they're simply fucking shit at politics. 

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6 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Have Labour said this? 

No but you have and lots of other posters in this thread have. My point is this self pitying focus on the MSM is just a cul de sac, the Government are not about to nationalise the Daily Mail so whats the point in obessing about it ? the party has to work with the world the way it is. This probably lies in building younger membership and motivating them to vote and stand in elections even at local level. 500 new votes will swing most wards in local elections. Build a new party with the energy of youth and focus on local issues that people actually care about. 

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5 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Which is why I said Labour are turd at politics, where is the fight and nastiness? Corbyn just let every fucker walk all over him, his lack of fight really pissed me off and Starmer is terrified of his own shadow. Milliband, miiliefandom, fuck off. You need ambitious nasty fuckers, Blair was ruthless and was backed up by proper switched on twats like Mandelson and Campbell who knew exactly how to play the game and twatted anybody who got in the way. That’s what it takes for Labour to win power. When will the penny drop?

Most of the aggression is focused at other members. At my last meeting some years ago now, I was shouted down as a "Zionist Blairite". We were talking about whether or not to organise a local litter pick. This is why people leave the party.  

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Ironically the recent past when Labour had a leader who increased the membership and motivated young people, it was portrayed as a negative by the oh so independent thinkers who are now saying that is what we need.

 

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22 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Which is why I said Labour are turd at politics, where is the fight and nastiness? Corbyn just let every fucker walk all over him, his lack of fight really pissed me off and Starmer is terrified of his own shadow. Milliband, miiliefandom, fuck off. You need ambitious nasty fuckers, Blair was ruthless and was backed up by proper switched on twats like Mandelson and Campbell who knew exactly how to play the game and twatted anybody who got in the way. That’s what it takes for Labour to win power. When will the penny drop?

Labour are turd at politics because they don't "Ignore, Lie and Deflect" ? 

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1 minute ago, Captain Howdy said:

I know, a politician that lies ignores and deflects, what a bizarre concept.

Oh right. Nice one. 

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30 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Most of the aggression is focused at other members. At my last meeting some years ago now, I was shouted down as a "Zionist Blairite". We were talking about whether or not to organise a local litter pick. This is why people leave the party.  

Well, it's one of the reasons.

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While I don't necessarily agree that Labour need a leader who lies, they certainly need a bit of scrapper who's capable of batting away the bullshit and who's not scared of calling out the Tories.

Starmer is pathetic.  Looking back it was really obvious but still you'd hope he'd grow into the role.  I wouldn't sack him after the local elections as let's face it Brexit will still be a vote winner.  But if he doesn't grow a backbone and go to town on the Tories once Covid had settled (fingers crossed) he needs binning off sharpish.

 

Which poster used to defend him all the time? Have they disappeared?

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1 hour ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I think its this defeated, externalization blame the MSM narrative that will keep Labour in opposition for 15 years. Rather than studying and learning from what the tories are doing, the explanation for one of the biggest defeats in modern electoral history seems to be the MSM manipulates the thick racist proles and buys them off with flags and festivals. Its both incredibly defeatist and patronizing to the electorate. The party needs to stop blaming the media and learn the lessons of what happened. 80 seats is a massive majority to overturn and nothing will change as long as you blame the electorate for being too thick to see they are being manipulated. 

There was absolutely nothing defeatist about what I put at all in regards to the tories.  It was all unarguable facts which is why you’ve spun this into some weird argument with nobody.  When Labour had an actual left wing leader and left wing economic policies there was absolutely nothing defeatist about every single left wing person.  Hundreds of thousands of people joined Labour and tried to make it a reality and came very close to achieving it.  People are pissed off about Starmer and the current situation because he’s embarrassed a lot of soft lefties with his classic right wing of Labour Tory enabling behaviour and actual lefties know that the say they had under Corbyn has been removed permanently.  If there is defeatism it is around the supposed left party being corrupt and now impossible to transform into what it should be.  Tory’s can be beaten even with the tsunami of corrupt MSM behind them but it has to be with policies.

 

You’re a completely deluded Tory and you aren’t kidding anyone.  If I was to hazard a guess I reckon you’re actually a Southern Man U fan as well.  I honestly can’t imagine the level of brain dead you have to be to actually campaign for multi millionaires and billionaires to sort their mates out with massive amount of public money and think that people arguing against it are stupid and defeatist.  It’s actually genuinely hilarious.  If by some miracle you are actually a Liverpool fan I actually take pleasure out of how much it must wind you up to constantly hear about how it’s a socialist club from a socialist city and nobody wants tories at Anfield.

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1 minute ago, The Guest said:

There was absolutely nothing defeatist about what I put at all in regards to the tories.  It was all unarguable facts which is why you’ve spun this into some weird argument with nobody.  When Labour had an actual left wing leader and left wing economic policies there was absolutely nothing defeatist about every single left wing person.  Hundreds of thousands of people joined Labour and tried to make it a reality and came very close to achieving it.  People are pissed off about Starmer and the current situation because he’s embarrassed a lot of soft lefties with his classic right wing of Labour Tory enabling behaviour and actual lefties know that the say they had under Corbyn has been removed permanently.  If there is defeatism it is around the supposed left party being corrupt and now impossible to transform into what it should be.  Tory’s can be beaten even with the tsunami of corrupt MSM behind them but it has to be with policies.

 

You’re a completely deluded Tory and you aren’t kidding anyone.  If I was to hazard a guess I reckon you’re actually a Southern Man U fan as well.  I honestly can’t imagine the level of brain dead you have to be to actually campaign for multi millionaires and billionaires to sort their mates out with massive amount of public money and think that people arguing against it are stupid and defeatist.  It’s actually genuinely hilarious.  If by some miracle you are actually a Liverpool fan I actually take pleasure out of how much it must wind you up to constantly hear about how it’s a socialist club from a socialist city and nobody wants tories at Anfield.

Well You’re entitled to your view but your wrong. 

 

I don’t think we are allowed to mention football on the GF but the arguement that we both support a “socialist club” is simply self delusion on your part. It’s a profit making entertainment business that is owned by a US hedge fund and like all premier league clubs pays its employees millions in salaries generated by selling expensive tickets, £100 a month tv packages and £75 replica shirts (that are made in mike Ashley’s sweatshops) to a predominantly working class fan base. 
 

In what possible way is that a socialist organisation ? 
 

The fan base in the UK is left wing but there are millions of lfc fans all over the world and most of them dont give a fuck about uk politics. You are the minority not me. 

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19 minutes ago, The Guest said:

There was absolutely nothing defeatist about what I put at all in regards to the tories.  It was all unarguable facts which is why you’ve spun this into some weird argument with nobody.  When Labour had an actual left wing leader and left wing economic policies there was absolutely nothing defeatist about every single left wing person.  Hundreds of thousands of people joined Labour and tried to make it a reality and came very close to achieving it.  People are pissed off about Starmer and the current situation because he’s embarrassed a lot of soft lefties with his classic right wing of Labour Tory enabling behaviour and actual lefties know that the say they had under Corbyn has been removed permanently.  If there is defeatism it is around the supposed left party being corrupt and now impossible to transform into what it should be.  Tory’s can be beaten even with the tsunami of corrupt MSM behind them but it has to be with policies.

 

You’re a completely deluded Tory and you aren’t kidding anyone.  If I was to hazard a guess I reckon you’re actually a Southern Man U fan as well.  I honestly can’t imagine the level of brain dead you have to be to actually campaign for multi millionaires and billionaires to sort their mates out with massive amount of public money and think that people arguing against it are stupid and defeatist.  It’s actually genuinely hilarious.  If by some miracle you are actually a Liverpool fan I actually take pleasure out of how much it must wind you up to constantly hear about how it’s a socialist club from a socialist city and nobody wants tories at Anfield.

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14 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

That plan to win back the "red wall" seats is going swimmingly... 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1376958312571342848

Just about to post that. No idea why Labour’s strategy is to try to appeal to these morons.

 

Here is an embedded version of the above.

 

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57 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Just about to post that. No idea why Labour’s strategy is to try to appeal to these morons.

 

Here is an embedded version of the above.

 

 

Just seen this now, wow!

 

So Labour were quite far ahead in the polls pre vaccine in Nov, but fell behind post vaccine that tells us little apart from voting intention is volatile up there, but they have made gains from 2019 levels which is at least something.

 

Not sure how much stock we put in this, but what the fuck is in the water up there?

 

One bloke genuinely said 'Yes, I still support Alex, but we have Brexit to come and we need to fix the economy, but he's managed Brexit and done a good job with Covid and come out on top and a better man for it so I still support him' or words to that effect.

 

What the fuck do you say to that?

 

We are not seeing what they are seeing and I mean that in both the literal and figurative sense, madness.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Vincent Vega said:

Just about to post that. No idea why Labour’s strategy is to try to appeal to these morons.

 

Here is an embedded version of the above.

 

Tragic.

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