Keir Starmer

[sir roger]

I think Angry is being facetious

 

Can't see a racist angle to this , they fairly obviously don't want a leftist person in any major party position.

[Bruce Spanner]

2 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I think Angry is being facetious

 

Can't see a racist angle to this , they fairly obviously don't want a leftist person in any major party position.

 

But the position is only for two years, potentailly.

 

A mayor isn't a huge thing realisticaly, especially with Rotherham up there as well.

 

I know parachuting is as old as time, but strategically this doesn't make sense, logically it doesn't make sense and I'm sure as anything that no 'Right Winger' is that stupid that they think they could pull this off without anybody noticing, or caring, especially in Liverpool of all places.

 

Very, very fucking odd.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

41 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

How so?

 

This looks fucking appalling. 

Sorry, I forgot to sound the sarcasm horn.

[Scooby Dudek]

38 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

But the position is only for two years, potentailly.

 

A mayor isn't a huge thing realisticaly, especially with Rotherham up there as well.

 

I know parachuting is as old as time, but strategically this doesn't make sense, logically it doesn't make sense and I'm sure as anything that no 'Right Winger' is that stupid that they think they could pull this off without anybody noticing, or caring, especially in Liverpool of all places.

 

Very, very fucking odd.

 

Whilst it may only be for 2 years, you would imagine, especially as they are opposed to mandatory reselection, it is effectively a job for life, unless the law taps you on the shoulder.

 

Probably just don't want someone who potentially opposes the party line in future.

 

Also, if they did oppose the party line, I guarantee they would get lots of air time.

[Bruce Spanner]

10 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Whilst it may only be for 2 years, you would imagine, especially as they are opposed to mandatory reselection, it is effectively a job for life, unless the law taps you on the shoulder.

 

Probably just don't want someone who potentially opposes the party line in future.

 

Also, if they did oppose the party line, I guarantee they would get lots of air time.

 

There's a referendum in two years where the position might become obsolete, no?

 

I get that they'd want a friendly face, but the optics are so bad on this.

 

Parachuting happens, they're all guilty of it, I get it, but the fallout from this could, and should, be awful.

 

[Scooby Dudek]

34 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

There's a referendum in two years where the position might become obsolete, no?

 

I get that they'd want a friendly face, but the optics are so bad on this.

 

Parachuting happens, they're all guilty of it, I get it, but the fallout from this could, and should, be awful.

 

Yeah, you are right. I thought they had "postponed" it indefinitely but it says it will be held in 2023;

 

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-55748684

 

 

I agree the optics are terrible and am in no way trying to defend it. As someone who detests the media and blames them for a lot of our issues it will be interesting to see their unbiased take on it. It may well be sold as just the usual Hard left extremists using anything to have a go at poor old honest Starmer.

[Duff Man]

Still, at least the party's no longer subject to the kind of ruthless Stalinism we saw under the authoritarian left.

[Bjornebye]

The PM failed yet agin to answer a single question from Starmer. Fucking disgrace 

[Section_31]

The party's a fucking shambles, all sides just as bad. Given that the other options are the Tories and the Lib Dems, someone needs to build an AI that's connected to tanks via the internet of things, right now. It can communicate to people via a giant hologram of Benny Hill, as it will put people of all classes at ease. 

[Scooby Dudek]

5 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

There's a referendum in two years where the position might become obsolete, no?

 

I get that they'd want a friendly face, but the optics are so bad on this.

 

Parachuting happens, they're all guilty of it, I get it, but the fallout from this could, and should, be awful.

 

Talk in the Echo, that Labour councillors may rush an emergency vote to remove the Mayor role immediately (which actually means May). 

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-labour-group-consider-move-19907566

 

 

Liverpool adopted the mayoral model in 2012 through a full council vote and without a referendum being held.

And the group could now use the same method to remove the position and take the power back from the national party.

With feelings running high among the Labour group - as well as the opposition parties' policies being to scrap the mayoral position - it is felt the vote to revert to a leader would have a good chance of passing.

 

 

 

 

It is not clear at this stage how the national Labour party or even central government would respond to such a move.

The Labour Party declined to comment.

[The Guest]

It should be fucked off.  Chippy tits said it would be defunct if the metro mayor position was created but changed his tune when he wasn’t picked as the Labour candidate.  It’s a fucking joke that it’s still going.

[Section_31]

Only liverpool could have two mayors, both of who are shit, but let a scouser be a decent mayor in greater Manchester.

[sir roger]

9 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Only liverpool could have two mayors, both of who are shit, but let a scouser be a decent mayor in greater Manchester.

Not sure , I like Andy , but he got a lot of publicity during the recent stand off with the government but actually achieved nothing other than keeping Manchester's covid rates high and hobbled a lot of their businesses by getting put into the harshest measures , while Liverpool got on with it and lowered the rates significantly leading to tier 2 for a significant period leading to Xmas.

[The Guest]

Andy Burnham is about as scouse as Johnny Vegas.

[Section_31]

38 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Not sure , I like Andy , but he got a lot of publicity during the recent stand off with the government but actually achieved nothing other than keeping Manchester's covid rates high and hobbled a lot of their businesses by getting put into the harshest measures , while Liverpool got on with it and lowered the rates significantly leading to tier 2 for a significant period leading to Xmas.

His homelessness project sounded like it was doing some good, Rotheram seems to just piggyback on anything Burnham suggests or says.

[The Guest]

All I want from the mayor and the council is to control the city being ripped off by housing/property companies and to make good decisions regarding infrastructure.  Most other things are out of their control.  Having a socialist/liberal or whatever doesn’t really matter they just have to not be corrupt because they don’t control direct/indirect taxes.

 

The biggest things that have pissed me off in recent years are the strand going down to two lanes.  Even though I don’t drive down there anymore it was and still is a fucking shocking decision.  They’ve sold it as helping traffic when the blatant reality is that they’re trying to force people to not drive down there by making it even worse than it is.  The problem with that is that public transport into the city is a fucking disgrace.  The same number of people will drive down there that were always going to and it will be absolute gridlock now nearly all day everyday.

 

Second is the decision to knock down the flyover at the rocket.  Another blatantly corrupt decision.  Conveniently when Everton need a shit load of stone to fill in a dock to build their new stadium two flyovers in the city need to be knocked down because they aren’t stable.  There’s absolute fuck all wrong with that flyover in childwall.  The traffic before Covid was bad but it will be unmanageable if they get rid of it and cause carnage in the area for years.  It all comes down to the commuter trains into the city.  They’re fucking rammed everyday because there aren’t enough of them.  The buses are just too slow so nearly everyone drives and every decision they make seems to make the situation worse one way or another.

 

Finally the housing situation.  For years everyone could see the leasehold scandal just building and building (pardon the pun).  There is a housing crisis and so many people just desperate to buy a house didn’t know what they were getting in to.  It would have been so easy for the council to say any building company that wants planning permission to build new houses in the city has to sell those houses as freehold.  Instead they allowed the residents to be ripped off.  It’s still happening now with freehold estate fees and the council not adopting roads.  It means people paying council tax and then paying another company to look after communal grass, lighting etc with no protection from the law to self manage or even question the amount of the costs being charged.  It’s just another council tax that could literally be an infinite amount.  It leads me to think what are these cunts doing all day?  Anderson going to court spending public money to get Redrow planning permission when basically everyone was against it was probably the most outrageous thing to happen in the city in recent times.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Only liverpool could have two mayors, both of who are shit, but let a scouser be a decent mayor in greater Manchester.

You sure he's a Scouser. He's from Billinge isn't he? 

 

Edit: Old Roan. Down the road from where I grew up. Dunno why I thought he was a wool

 

[Section_31]

1 minute ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

You sure he's a Scouser. He's from Billinge isn't he? 

 

 

Says Aintree online.

[Section_31]

6 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

You sure he's a Scouser. He's from Billinge isn't he? 

 

Edit: Old Roan. Down the road from where I grew up. Dunno why I thought he was a wool

 

It's because he's an Evertonian, easy assumption to make.

[The Guest]

2 hours ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

You sure he's a Scouser. He's from Billinge isn't he? 

 

Edit: Old Roan. Down the road from where I grew up. Dunno why I thought he was a wool

 

He was born in Aintree but wasn’t rough up there.  He lived in Culcheth and went to school in Newton le Willows.

[Gnasher]

The Mandelson effect?

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-budget-corporation-tax-b1806739.html

 

 

More signs on the Unity front 

 

 

[Anubis]

I guess the Supermarket Owners focus group is pretty persuasive...

[Moo]

6 hours ago, The Guest said:

He was born in Aintree but wasn’t rough up there.  He lived in Culcheth and went to school in Newton le Willows.

Either way he's shit.  All that you wrote above re traffic in Liverpool, x10 for Manchester.  When he does show his face every so often he moans that he can't get anything done because of central government, but he seems to be okay making decisions that make matters worse, or ignoring easy options that could help.  

If he is hand tied by central government then his role is pointless.

[Gnasher]

54 minutes ago, Anubis said:

I guess the Supermarket Owners focus group is pretty persuasive...

I've spent the past half hour trying to work out what 'discombobulated' means. Goggle tells me its dumbfounded.

[Bruce Spanner]

1 hour ago, Anubis said:

I guess the Supermarket Owners focus group is pretty persuasive...

Could be more to this than meets the eye...

 

If this is a smart move, knowing the government has a majority and will see it through anyway, then getting the back benchers, and the opposition, at each other’s throats might be a welcome distraction from our ongoing clusterfuck.

 

BUDGET BUNFIGHT: Labour leader Keir Starmer signaled he would oppose any rise to corporation tax at yesterday’s prime minister’s questions, setting up the unlikely scene next week where Corbynistas are agreeing with Sunak that taxes on business should increase, but right-wing Tory backbenchers are siding with the Labour leadership in opposing the hike. The Times’ Steve Swinford says Tory rebels could vote with Labour to block a proposed increase, with Chief Whip Mark Spencer warning a revolt would effectively be seen as a confidence vote in the PM with rebels stripped of the Tory whip. This is fast becoming the story of the pre-budget.