Keir Starmer

[Megadrive Man]

5 hours ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

I really wouldn't advise trying to understand the nuances of the case, or any case, through bullet points provided by some anonymous flag-licker account. 

If you do so, know that you are doing so in the full knowledge that you are not going to find the truth there, and that you don't actually seek the truth.

As long as we're all clear on that, do what you like.  Just don't expect to last 30 seconds in the face of an actual informed discussion with anyone. 

The problem is that's exactly what the majority of the electorate do use to form their opinions. Get Brexit Done. Take Back Control etc

 

From what I've seen so far Starmer isn't popular with Brexit Voters, isn't popular with Corbyn supporters, but is poppular with centrists. Can he win enough support to win a majority? No. Can he win enough support to force a hung parliament? I don't think so. Obviously lots can/will change over the next four years but I don't see Starmer making the Labour Party electable. 

[Gnasher]

9 hours ago, Brownie said:

I love Twitter but hate Facebook.

 

On Facebook you naturally become connected with more people due to family and then family friends, and then friends of friends and so on. It's a lot more invasive because you read stuff from people that you don't really know.

 

On Twitter you can be more selective with who you follow and they are limited in what they can say due to characters.

 

If you're logging on to Twitter and scrolling through shite then you have an issue with the people you're following.

 

Due to the character limitations I find that Twitter is a lot more effective as a platform for humour whereas Facebook is used for fucking everything.

 

I deleted my Facebook account and it was a breath of fresh air. There's no way i'll delete my Twitter account as it entertains me every day.

 

In summary, Twitter is boss you daft cunts.

I agree with every word. Twitter is boss Facebook is bad aids.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Facebook is shite. Twitter is shite. 

[VladimirIlyich]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

Facebook is shite. Twitter is shite. 

Succinctly put.

I would say that Facebook is very useful when used for your own benefit,keeping in touch with family and friends you cant normally contact. As for Twitter? A magnet for most of the scum on the planet unfortunately. 

[Bjornebye]

9 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

The problem is that's exactly what the majority of the electorate do use to form their opinions. Get Brexit Done. Take Back Control etc

 

From what I've seen so far Starmer isn't popular with Brexit Voters, isn't popular with Corbyn supporters, but is poppular with centrists. Can he win enough support to win a majority? No. Can he win enough support to force a hung parliament? I don't think so. Obviously lots can/will change over the next four years but I don't see Starmer making the Labour Party electable. 

Where will the majority of their vote go? 

[VladimirIlyich]

Unfortunately the Labour Party still haven't made any noises about Alliances. It was naive under Corbyn and even moreso now. If Starmer is the shrewd operator people say he is then he needs to realise that any opposition is fighting way more than just the tory mps in Parliament,the whole media is now firmly entrenched behind them like never before. I would also suggest throwing electoral reform into the mix,a far better type of reform than the previous Con-Lib one though. I hope he's also going to be a devious cunt as you need a bit of that.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

 I hope he's also going to be a devious cunt as you need a bit of that.

Yesterday was a good indicator that he isn't scared of fighting them.

[Spy Bee]

16 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Facebook is shite. Twitter is shite. 

I've recently gone back on Facebook. It's fucking horrendous and I won't be hanging around long. I like Twitter.

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

I've recently gone back on Facebook. It's fucking horrendous and I won't be hanging around long. I like Twitter.

I think they both have their uses, mate. The issue is that they suffer from the same underlying condition; humans. 

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I think they both have their uses, mate. The issue is that they suffer from the same underlying condition; humans. 

Spot on there 

[Chairman Meow]

My Facebook and Twitter are generally fine.

 

Echo chambers are nice if you follow the right things, all I ever see on Twitter or Facebook is pictures of old rally cars, classic cars, art, interesting things about architecture and things like that.

 

If all you see or encounter is people behaving like twats, then that is because you follow and/or associate with twats.

 

If I want to see a load of degenerate horrible nasty snide cunts I come on here, where such things are welcomed and I fit in.

[Section_31]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I think they both have their uses, mate. The issue is that they suffer from the same underlying condition; humans. 

I would normally agree but that doesn't take into account the shenanigans behind the scenes. 

 

The bloke I mentioned before who quit Facebook and invented its 'like button' had done an interview about the psychology of it, it basically triggers feelgood hormones akin to getting parental approval. Now imagine  that becomes hardwired into your behaviours, so, for example, tourists may no longer go to places they really want to go, they go to places they want to put on Instagram and Twitter and 'receive approval' for. 

 

There was a couple of stories that stood out for me a couple of years back, one was the death of the 18/30 holiday because of the 'Insta' generation being more concerned with how something looked rather than how it felt. (18/30s was about hedonism, booze, sex (in an ideal world) sunshine, swimming, it was about how things made you feel, whereas the Instagram stuff was about perception, what people think of you - even if you're not enjoying yourself). The second story was how some girl dubbed 'the instagram queen' because she had so many followers had topped herself on a greek yacht, Those love island contestants are always topping themselves too and teenagers these days seem like they're permanently fucked up. 

 

Social media probably started out reasonably harmless but it's now an industrialised emotion engine designed to get you to buy shit or vote for people with all sorts of ungodly dark arts underpinning it, and it's fucking people up. 

 

(as an aside, as if to illustrate the point I made about Twitter yesterday, I only follow nine accounts for this very reason, one of them - a media jobs board - retweeted the UK editor of Buzzfeed saying they were going out of business, and underneath were comments about them being commies, or how the nazis were actually socialists and all sorts of other stuff. It's a spiritual oubliette and the world would be a far better place without it.) 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

A handful of Tory MPs have shared a heavily edited, misleading video from a far right Twitter account that refers to Starmer's alleged role in a decision not to prosecute alleged child grooming gangs. 

 

One of them was Nadine Dorries. A junior minister. 

 

It's really not a good idea to defame a QC. 

[VladimirIlyich]

37 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

A handful of Tory MPs have shared a heavily edited, misleading video from a far right Twitter account that refers to Starmer's alleged role in a decision not to prosecute alleged child grooming gangs. 

 

One of them was Nadine Dorries. A junior minister. 

 

It's really not a good idea to defame a QC. 

Let's hope not.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

I would normally agree but that doesn't take into account the shenanigans behind the scenes. 

 

The bloke I mentioned before who quit Facebook and invented its 'like button' had done an interview about the psychology of it, it basically triggers feelgood hormones akin to getting parental approval. Now imagine  that becomes hardwired into your behaviours, so, for example, tourists may no longer go to places they really want to go, they go to places they want to put on Instagram and Twitter and 'receive approval' for. 

 

There was a couple of stories that stood out for me a couple of years back, one was the death of the 18/30 holiday because of the 'Insta' generation being more concerned with how something looked rather than how it felt. (18/30s was about hedonism, booze, sex (in an ideal world) sunshine, swimming, it was about how things made you feel, whereas the Instagram stuff was about perception, what people think of you - even if you're not enjoying yourself). The second story was how some girl dubbed 'the instagram queen' because she had so many followers had topped herself on a greek yacht, Those love island contestants are always topping themselves too and teenagers these days seem like they're permanently fucked up. 

 

Social media probably started out reasonably harmless but it's now an industrialised emotion engine designed to get you to buy shit or vote for people with all sorts of ungodly dark arts underpinning it, and it's fucking people up. 

 

(as an aside, as if to illustrate the point I made about Twitter yesterday, I only follow nine accounts for this very reason, one of them - a media jobs board - retweeted the UK editor of Buzzfeed saying they were going out of business, and underneath were comments about them being commies, or how the nazis were actually socialists and all sorts of other stuff. It's a spiritual oubliette and the world would be a far better place without it.) 

 

 

You're preaching to the choir on the impact of social media. It's concerning. I wrote something on here a while ago about it. Probably more ranty than I intended, but I've jibbed it off in its entirety. 

[skend04]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Torres said:

A handful of Tory MPs have shared a heavily edited, misleading video from a far right Twitter account that refers to Starmer's alleged role in a decision not to prosecute alleged child grooming gangs. 

 

One of them was Nadine Dorries. A junior minister. 

 

It's really not a good idea to defame a QC. 

She's deleted and one has deleted their whole account. I'd still sue for an apology. 

[Section_31]

Dorries is a cunt, like McVey and Curry. When scousers go Tory they go big.

[Strontium]

You could almost forgive her if she had a genuine interest in the issue, beyond its utility as a political weapon.

[Captain Turdseye]

18 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Nah it's infinitely worse than Facebook. By and large people on Facebook are people you know and you can delete anyone who's acting a knob. I need a twitter account for work but even when I go out of my way to avoid following anything remotely controversial, the fucking thing shows me tweets because someone I know is following someone who's tweeted it or likes their tweet.

 

Virtually everything on there, no matter how innocuous, quickly descends into pure bile.

 

It created trump, contributed to echo chamber politics and social views, and has slowly but surely eroded the basic manors that people had had instilled in them over centuries into what and what isn't an appropriate thing to say, all led by 'influencers' who are otherwise untalented but see it as a quick and easy to build a brand, any brand.

 

I don't think people realise how much science goes into social media, they have teams of psychologists looking at stuff like dopamine levels and reward behaviour, not much different to gambling. That's gradually bled from the virtual into the real world and turned us into a race of attention seeking morons incapable of digesting anything remotely demanding. Consequences are there for all to see.

 

Combine that with all the heinous shit at companies the likes of dominic Cummings have had dealings with and you realise it is actual an industry of dark arts that's actively rewiring our brains and playing us like a fuckung fiddle.

 

There's been a trend for years of people in silicon valley actually ditching social media, including the guy who invented the Facebook like button, which says it all.

 

It's like an old Dr Who invasion story.

 

All very true. To illustrate the point further, how often do you see Dave Usher posting on the GF?

[Bjornebye]

Nothing about Boris and his claim that investigating sex cases of dead victims is "spaffing money up the wall' no? Ive seen one reference to it on Twitter. 

 

 

Fucking tory cunts 

[Strontium]

In fairness, if anyone knows anything about spaffing up things, it's Boris Johnson.

[Bobby Hundreds]

If he has legal grounds he should sue otherwise people just get free reign to fling any shit that deflects from the real issue. The sole reason she brought that video up was to deflect the negative responses around Boris and nothing to do with the victims in that case. Like everton constantly bringing up Heysel to Excuse their own shitness. Corbyn was meek and got swamped in the end.

[Brownie]

On the topic of social media, I broadly agree that it can be damaging to mental health.

 

However, is it really that different to logging on here and reading stuff? Or reading an online blog/newspaper? Your mental health is impacted by what you surround yourself with, both physically and electronically.

 

You have the ability to control who you socialise with physically and you also have the ability to do it electronically. If something is getting you down then you need to get rid of it.

 

For others, it may have a positive impact on their mental health because we are all wired differently.

 

Making a blanket statement about how the world would be better without it is a bit, I don't know, excessive I feel.

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, Brownie said:

On the topic of social media, I broadly agree that it can be damaging to mental health.

 

However, is it really that different to logging on here and reading stuff? Or reading an online blog/newspaper? Your mental health is impacted by what you surround yourself with, both physically and electronically.

 

You have the ability to control who you socialise with physically and you also have the ability to do it electronically. If something is getting you down then you need to get rid of it.

 

For others, it may have a positive impact on their mental health because we are all wired differently.

 

Making a blanket statement about how the world would be better without it is a bit, I don't know, excessive I feel.

Good post. As has been said and like with most things, its what you choose to make of it. I like to call people cunts on twitter. Now I'm banned and probably won't both with it again although I can still browse. I barely use Facebook , have the odd look to wish someone happy birthday when I get the notification but I don't really scroll down my wall. Its all pictures of Rico in the 90's these days anyway. 

 

As for here, I'm as guilty as anyone of being a cunt and also for letting things get to me more than I should. That said, I can't keep away and I get palpitations if I don't know who is saying what,  I'm a sad lonely individual. 

 

Plus I'm waiting for updates on Mooks mouse. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The twitter account which originally posted the doctored Starmer video is also meant to regularly post anti-muslim content. 

 

Imagine the uproar (and the guilt by association) if a Labour MP, let's say the former leader for arguments sake, re-tweeted an account that regularly posted antisemitic content. 

 

The good, old racism hierarchy on show once more!