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Keir Starmer


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Like an earlier poster said nobody is bothered if he has union jacks behind him , it's that the people who this appeals to in the main also have views on the likes of  immigration and welfare which should be anathema to anybody with the slightest socialist bone in their body , and if you want their votes you are drawn inexorably towards them.

 

Witb regards to SD's point , there was obviously a lot of people who were anti-Corbyn and swallowed the media coverage of him , but looking at the facts he did far better in the first election when most of the coverage you outline was at its height , than 2019 when it was really only the anti-semitism stuff that was mentioned in any depth. I genuinely think 2019 was down to him running a really low quality , low energy campaign alongside the Brexit shambles.

 

 

 

 

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This is a really tough one because I honestly feel like the left in general needs to get a bit of a handle on the subject of patriotism. I think there's a difference between feeling patriotic and being a bad nationalist prick.

 

Probably needs a deeper discussion.

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1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The perception of Corbyn, rightly or wrongly, was that he hated this country and what it stood for, and his consorting with or otherwise giving succour to our enemies (Russia, Iran, the IRA, islamists etc) was presented as evidence for that. It scared a lot of people off, even if they were broadly supportive of Labour's political agenda.

 

Whoever followed Corbyn needed to show he wasn't an existential threat to our way of life; Starmer wrapping himself in the Union Jack may irritate some, but it will be popular with the people he needs to appeal to.

So Corbyn should have added nationalism to his socialism? 

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If Labour waving the Union Jack proudly hastens the nostalgia on the British folk for the days of ‘Cool Britannia’ leading to money spinning tours of such luminaries as Dodgy, and their ilk, they can go fuck themselves.

 

There’s only so much a man can take. 
 

I think that’s my line in the sand.

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11 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

If Labour waving the Union Jack proudly hastens the nostalgia on the British folk for the days of ‘Cool Britannia’ leading to money spinning tours of such luminaries as Dodgy, and their ilk, they can go fuck themselves.

 

If it's good enough for you, it's good enough for me.

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Fucksake, I was looking forward to getting my coat lined with a Union Jack and talking up British exceptionalism. 

 

Fuck you, Keith...

 

'Leaked presentation stressing value of union flag 'not party strategy', says Labour

 

Labour has insisted that a document from an internal presentation, leaked to the Guardian, urging the party to “use of the [union] flag, veterans [and] dressing smartly” as part of a plan to win back disillusioned voters, does not represent official strategy.

Asked about the document at his regular post-PMQ’s briefing, a spokesman for Sir Keir Starmer said:

'The first point to make clear is that it is not a Labour party document. It was a document produced by an external agency about the Labour party - it was created by a third party and the recommendations in that report are their recommendations. It is not right to say it was presented as our strategy. That is not what it was and to claim otherwise is wrong.

 

We will write our own strategy and that will be a strategy focused entirely on how do we restore trust and how do we win in 2024.'

Asked to respond to a focus group remark mentioned in the report suggesting Starmer had been “sitting on the fence” on issues, the spokesman gave a list of examples where Labour had challenged the Government, such as on bringing in tighter border controls to block new variants of coronavirus from entering the country.

The spokesman also said that Boris Johnson was wrong to claim past comments from Starmer about the European Medicines Agency meant that a vaccine rollout would have been less successful under Labour. (See 1.41pm and 2.38pm.) The spokesman said:

To put it simply, do we want to be in the EMA? No. Have we been calling for us to be in EMA? No. And have we said we should be in the EU vaccine programme? No.

Asked about reports that Starmer had a “heated exchange” over this after PMQs, the spokesman said he had no knowledge of the incident.

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27 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Asked to respond to a focus group remark mentioned in the report suggesting Starmer had been “sitting on the fence” on issues, the spokesman gave a list of examples where Labour had challenged the Government, such as on bringing in tighter border controls to block new variants of coronavirus from entering the country.

The spokesman also said that Boris Johnson was wrong to claim past comments from Starmer about the European Medicines Agency meant that a vaccine rollout would have been less successful under Labour. (See 1.41pm and 2.38pm.) The spokesman said:

To put it simply, do we want to be in the EMA? No. Have we been calling for us to be in EMA? No. And have we said we should be in the EU vaccine programme? No.

 

The Guardian reporting that Starmer is noted in Hansard in 2017 stating that membership of EMA should be retained if Brexit is effected.

 

Not sure how many staff the Guardian would need to dig out all of the lies and half-truths that have come from Johnson at pmq's , but think Starmer may need to rethink the PMQ strategy as it seems to be getting less effective afer a bright start.

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Just now, sir roger said:

 

 

 

The Guardian reporting that Starmer is noted in Hansard in 2017 stating that membership of EMA should be retained if Brexit is effected.

 

Not sure how many staff the Guardian would need to dig out all of the lies and half-truths that have come from Johnson at pmq's , but think Starmer may need to rethink the PMQ strategy as it seems to be getting less effective afer a bright start.

 

It's getting a bit staid as Johnson just blusters and lies throughout.

 

I think once there is light on the horizon with Covid the gloves will truly come off, at least I hope. 

 

You can tell he really can't stand him and he has a far superiour mind, hopefuly that comes through once we're free of this fucking thing.

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1 hour ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

It's getting a bit staid as Johnson just blusters and lies throughout.

 

I think once there is light on the horizon with Covid the gloves will truly come off, at least I hope. 

 

You can tell he really can't stand him and he has a far superiour mind, hopefuly that comes through once we're free of this fucking thing.

You're counting on balanced reporting though. Only a tiny fraction can be arsed watching PMQs - everyone else gets told about it by political editors in a two minute segment. Not once have I heard any of them say "Starmer asked the question, but Johnson simply harrumphed for 5 minutes before sitting down again".

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5 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The perception of Corbyn, rightly or wrongly, was that he hated this country and what it stood for, and his consorting with or otherwise giving succour to our enemies (Russia, Iran, the IRA, islamists etc) was presented as evidence for that. It scared a lot of people off, even if they were broadly supportive of Labour's political agenda.

 

Whoever followed Corbyn needed to show he wasn't an existential threat to our way of life; Starmer wrapping himself in the Union Jack may irritate some, but it will be popular with the people he needs to appeal to.

Spot on.

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1 hour ago, sir roger said:

 

 

 

The Guardian reporting that Starmer is noted in Hansard in 2017 stating that membership of EMA should be retained if Brexit is effected.

 

Not sure how many staff the Guardian would need to dig out all of the lies and half-truths that have come from Johnson at pmq's , but think Starmer may need to rethink the PMQ strategy as it seems to be getting less effective afer a bright start.

Yep. 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

You're counting on balanced reporting though. Only a tiny fraction can be arsed watching PMQs - everyone else gets told about it by political editors in a two minute segment. Not once have I heard any of them say "Starmer asked the question, but Johnson simply harrumphed for 5 minutes before sitting down again".


Totally agree and that’s why I added when the pandemic is gone/more controlled.

 

Like when Milliband humiliated Alex recently it makes the front page no matter what the political leaning.

 

We know the rules of the game it’s up to him and his team to get the message out, get the quips in, make Alex look stupid and incompetent. Which I hope they can do as that’s a large part of the battle won as idiots won’t vote for perceived losers. 

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The tories will use Johnson as the sacrificial lamb and the rest of them will get away with this shambles. 

 

"Why did all those Tory donors essentially steal billions of taxpayers money ?" 

 

"We dealt with the problem swiftly and efficiently sweep sweep sweep next." - Gove 

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I don't get the seriousness (or otherwise) of the story but why's he admitting his mistake?  The Tories, including their leader, constantly make mistakes and outright lie, yet rarely if ever admit to it, they just brazen it out.

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