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9 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

It's one of those films you just have to watch if it's on TV, otherwise you feel  like you're missing out. And yeah he's a great baddie.

He'll always be Ham Tyler.

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18 minutes ago, Harry's Lad said:

He'll always be Ham Tyler.

One of the most underrated and greatest characters in TV history.

 

"Now that's  waste of good luggage."

 

"Keep it simple, we've got sharpshooters in the hills, cut you guys down to wallet size."

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

No idea what that is, but it looks ace.

 

"Are you gonna kill him?"

 

"As many times as I can"

V The final battle, 80s tastic, should deffo check it out if you can.

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13 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

V The final battle, 80s tastic, should deffo check it out if you can.

When they first showed it, I remember it was on for 2 hours a night over 5 nights.

Everyone was talking about it.

 

I was living with my missus with her parents before we got married and there was a boarded up house around the corner.

Coming home from work after it had been on for a couple of days someone had sprayed a fucking big red V on each of the boards.

It was massive telly at the time.

 

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Just now, Gnasher said:

Shes a clever cookie, seems to blow with the wind though.

Yeah, although I can't pretend to know a 'lot' about her before the last few years, and even then it wasn't that much, she seems to be 1) presentable 2) can speak in sentences 3) is a northern woman. I think there's probably merit to the 'blows with the wind' thing. That said, it's not always a bad thing if it's on issues that don't matter dramatically and are not fundamental beliefs. I'm a fan of pragmatism. 

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8 minutes ago, Numero said:

Yeah, although I can't pretend to know a 'lot' about her before the last few years, and even then it wasn't that much, she seems to be 1) presentable 2) can speak in sentences 3) is a northern woman. I think there's probably merit to the 'blows with the wind' thing. That said, it's not always a bad thing if it's on issues that don't matter dramatically and are not fundamental beliefs. I'm a fan of pragmatism. 

Yeah, yeah, but have you seen the size of her tits?!

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2 minutes ago, Numero said:

Yeah, although I can't pretend to know a 'lot' about her before the last few years, and even then it wasn't that much, she seems to be 1) presentable 2) can speak in sentences 3) is a northern woman. I think there's probably merit to the 'blows with the wind' thing. That said, it's not always a bad thing if it's on issues that don't matter dramatically and are not fundamental beliefs. I'm a fan of pragmatism. 

I'm a little in both corners now on the pragmatic/belief line. I've always thought a politician should have their beliefs and pretty much stick with them. However the tories are undoubtedly more street wise politically and chose pragmatism over morals. 

 

A few examples of Labour choosing blind faith over political savvy is Corbyn keeping Dianne Abbott (cue the cry of racist) when she was obviously a massive vote loser. Another off the top of my head was putting up Ken Livingstone against Johnson second time for London mayor when any other candidate would have destroyed him and his career. The tories are far more ruthless and seem to have a greater win at all costs mentality.

 

As for Nandy she seemed to position herself to the left at the start of her career then she lurched right when she felt Corbyn was the losing horse. Loyal? No. Political fleet off foot? Yes. Another massive plus I see in her is she not only reads the political landscape well she's good at judging the mood of her constituents, especially Brexit where she refused to think in binary terms, which I found refreshing. Nandy could be perfect for forging a behind the scenes alliance with the new American vice president in the next few years.

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7 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Yeah, yeah, but have you seen the size of her tits?!

How fucking dare you reduce her to just being a pair of ti...

 

Yes, yes I have. 

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According to YouGov, the decision to suspend Corbyn may have been counter-productive. 

The quicker they get whatever investigation sorted and get him reinstated, the better the chances of avoiding irreparable damage. The longer it drags on, the more it will be seen, rightly or wrongly, as an attempt to purge the party of any sort of Socialists.

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9 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

According to YouGov, the decision to suspend Corbyn may have been counter-productive. 

The quicker they get whatever investigation sorted and get him reinstated, the better the chances of avoiding irreparable damage. The longer it drags on, the more it will be seen, rightly or wrongly, as an attempt to purge the party of any sort of Socialists.

 

The divisions in labour won't end though just by reinstating Corbyn, if anything it'll just be seen as vindication for him. He's a figurehead for a particular faction of the labour party and as long as he's there, they'll want their man or his chosen successor. 

 

It would be like Trump becoming a Republican Senator (not that I'm comparing them in any way) but more the personal loyalty they engender. There'd be the Republicans, and there'd be Trump Republicans.

 

Saying that, the whole issue shouldn't be handled any differently because he's Corbyn. If he's found to have done nothing wrong then absolutely, he should he reinstated. 

 

For my money though, labour will remain divided as long as he's there and for as long as he and the likes of Abbott are vocal.

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6 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

The divisions in labour won't end though just by reinstating Corbyn, if anything it'll just be seen as vindication for him. He's a figurehead for a particular faction of the labour party and as long as he's there, they'll want their man or his chosen successor. 

 

It would be like Trump becoming a Republican Senator (not that I'm comparing them in any way) but more the personal loyalty they engender. There'd be the Republicans, and there'd be Trump Republicans.

 

Saying that, the whole issue shouldn't be handled any differently because he's Corbyn. If he's found to have done nothing wrong then absolutely, he should he reinstated. 

 

For my money though, labour will remain divided as long as he's there and for as long as he and the likes of Abbott are vocal.

Surely the party should be able to include a wide range of opinions - provided nobody actually works agaist the party or briefs agaist the elected leader - without being a divided party.

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I still think Starmer should have reiterated his strong disagreement with Corbyn's comments on the EHRC report but pointed out that the EHRC themselves  specifically stated that disagreement is not a disciplinary offence.

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Surely the party should be able to include a wide range of opinions - provided nobody actually works agaist the party or briefs agaist the elected leader - without being a divided party.

Definitely, I think there needs to be this type of progressive left politics, it changes the narrative on things that have been a given for too long, but since the leadership election it seems that many of their outlets and outriders have spent more time attacking Starmer than they have the Tories, come election time, I fear that will be Labour's undoing. Even the perception that they're not a united front will be hugely damaging in terms of trying to win the votes of Joe sixpack.

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4 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

The divisions in labour won't end though just by reinstating Corbyn, if anything it'll just be seen as vindication for him. He's a figurehead for a particular faction of the labour party and as long as he's there, they'll want their man or his chosen successor. 

 

It would be like Trump becoming a Republican Senator (not that I'm comparing them in any way) but more the personal loyalty they engender. There'd be the Republicans, and there'd be Trump Republicans.

 

Saying that, the whole issue shouldn't be handled any differently because he's Corbyn. If he's found to have done nothing wrong then absolutely, he should he reinstated. 

 

For my money though, labour will remain divided as long as he's there and for as long as he and the likes of Abbott are vocal.

The same firm, YouGov, posted a poll a week after Corbyn was suspended showing Labour with a 5 point lead (having gained 2 points). Opinium show the same 2 point gain and a four point lead. So, I guess it depends what your objective is as to whether or not it's counter-productive. If it's to win an election, to deal with the mess and fallout from the report, and to implement fair and consistent procedures - which should have been done years ago - then it's not looking like an issue. If it's to placate one faction then it is. 

 

I still can't believe people are pushing for intervention here. There was just a report talking about the unlawful political interference. Here's what should happen: the party should take as much time as they need to come to the right decision. They should treat Corbyn as they would any other member, hold him to the same rules, and do it via the same process. 

 

As for that divided/unified poll, the Tories are seen as almost as divided. You can also see the trend was one that people saw the party as becoming more and more unified under Starmer, with it seen as massively divided before that. Of course, suspending the former leader has had a few percentage points of impact, but it hasn't seemed to halt Labour's ability to climb in the polls. The sooner this mess is cleared up the better. It's a massive shame this has been passed on to the new leader, but that's the job. 

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