Keir Starmer

[Red Phoenix 1,915]

1 minute ago, MegadriveMan said:

Agreed.

 

Imagine allowing Michael Gove to take the moral high ground! 

 

One of those moments where I'd love to make an account just to tell someone to fuck off. Baron Adonis has been at it today as well and I had the same urge, another twat that loves trolling.

[clockspeed 196]

10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 I think Starmers made a fucking howler of that today, up until now hes been fairly safe. He's got a shitstorm heading his way and it could have been avoided. 

 

The Tories ain't going to forget this or the fact he was happy to serve under Corbyn. Here we go, heres the first cunt out of the blocks 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Genuine question. Faced with the findings of the report Starmer apologized on behalf of the Labour party. What should he have done ?

 

 

[Jairzinho 23,094]

3 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

They’ll be the unemployed by the next election.

Does Starmer have a policy on tuition fees?

[The Guest 1,852]

1 minute ago, clockspeed said:

Genuine question. Faced with the findings of the report Starmer apologized on behalf of the Labour party. What should he have done ?

 

 

Come out and said “look it was a big load of nonsense we made up because we were terrified of a socialist becoming leader of the country so we had to do anything to stop it.  He’s out of power now so let’s just forget this ever happened.”

[Bruce Spanner 2,882]

2 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Does Starmer have a policy on tuition fees?

Yeah, it’s in his second pledge.
 

 

The rest are here for anybody who’s unwilling to search for themselves...

 

https://keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/

[Numero 6,959]

Free tuition? Dirty socialist. I’m joining the Tories. Fucking hate socialism, I do. 

[Jairzinho 23,094]

Just now, Bruce Spanner said:

Yeah, it’s in his second pledge.
 

Good stuff. Hopefully the policy makes it to 2024.

[Gnasher 1,783]

4 minutes ago, clockspeed said:

Genuine question. Faced with the findings of the report Starmer apologized on behalf of the Labour party. What should he have done ?

 

 

I've no problem with the Starmer apology, he seemed to be handling it well until he became all macho and boxed himself in, he gave the Israel mob the incentive to call the shots and they well and duly took it. He is now under their control.

[clockspeed 196]

2 minutes ago, The Guest said:

Come out and said “look it was a big load of nonsense we made up because we were terrified of a socialist becoming leader of the country so we had to do anything to stop it.  He’s out of power now so let’s just forget this ever happened.”

Eloquent. 

 

 

 

[Walter Sobchak 172]

9 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

Fucking hell, man! He has been there for six months. Any suggestion he should or could have United the party is actually beyond ridicule. How? Answer that question and you’ve got my vote. How, in six months after inheriting a party waiting for a report on antisemitism, that is more divided than at any point in generations, was he meant to unite the party in six months? Not what he shouldn’t do, but what he should have done that would have United the party by now.  

 

First step is cleaning up the mess he inherited. We now know that mess is unlawful discrimination and political interference. He drew a line in the sand for everyone to see and anybody who crosses it will meet the same fate. That’s not partisanship or forcing the left out or any other brainless claim that has been made today, it’s taking back control. That’s the second step to uniting. 
 

Corbyn faced a report today that found the LOTO office unlawfully politically interfered and discriminated. Not one word of remorse. Under his leadership that happened and he chose to belittle the report and not to apologise.

 

The third step is painting the picture of the future and selling that well enough to the party and the country. 

He has, in my view, shown proper leadership today. He faces this report, he met it head on with solutions, he apologised, and it allows the party to move on. Now Corbyn reacted disgracefully, and has been dealt with. This isn’t bad leadership, it’s leadership. Something the Labour Party hasn’t seen for a long time. 

 

 

Every single bit of this.

 

Corbyn should have apologised today and said he got it wrong. I would have respected him then. Except he didn’t and now he’s out the party. 
 

Angela Rayner said it best today when she said Corbyn had a blind spot on the issue.

 

I have found it particularly amusing that the hard left have been shouting the same old Blairite/Tory jibe at Starmer, when Corbyn spent half his political life voting against a Labour Government with the Tories. Funny that.

[Numero 6,959]

Just now, clockspeed said:

Eloquent. 

Pledge 11. 

[Rico1304 6,821]

No doubt he/she is a cunt etc etc etc. 

[Walter Sobchak 172]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I've no problem with the Starmer apology, he seemed to be handling it well until he became all macho and boxed himself in, he gave the Israel mob the incentive to call the shots and they well and duly took it. He is now under their control.

Israel Mob?? 

[MegadriveMan 815]

4 minutes ago, skend04 said:

I can't believe the students that helped Labour win the last 2 elections won't vote for Starmer. We need to keep the Tories out of government. Starmer out!

I see.

 

So forget Scotland, working class people and students, Labour are going to win by winning the votes of middle class and more affluent voters. I wonder what sort of policies they will need to win those sort of people? 

 

If you want to see what losing the youth/student vote looks like see Lib Dems in 2010 vs Lib Dems in 2015. 

[Numero 6,959]

Just now, Walter Sobchak said:

Every single bit of this.

 

Corbyn should have apologised today and said he got it wrong. I would have respected him then. Except he didn’t and now he’s out the party. 
 

Angela Rayner said it best today when she said Corbyn had a blind spot on the issue.

 

I have found it particularly amusing that the hard left have been shouting the same old Blairite/Tory jibe at Starmer, when Corbyn spent half his political life voting against a Labour Government with the Tories. Funny that.

He clearly does have a blind spot. Him not apologising shows how he just isn’t pragmatic. The utter lack of contrition or responsibility today really was unbecoming. I have always said he’s a nice guy, but today wasn’t nice it was pretty shitty. When somebody independent releases a report that talks of the Leader of the Opposition’s office - your office, including you - and says there was discrimination and unlawful political interference, you say sorry. Even if you say some other things, you acknowledge that. He is boxed in on this though. He’s actually been quite selfish on this issue. 

[Numero 6,959]

4 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

I see.

 

So forget Scotland, working class people and students, Labour are going to win by winning the votes of middle class and more affluent voters. I wonder what sort of policies they will need to win those sort of people? 

 

If you want to see what losing the youth/student vote looks like see Lib Dems in 2010 vs Lib Dems in 2015. 

So Labour lost by almost 160 seats last time. Now they’ve somehow (though I can’t see how) alienated those groups, how many fewer seats will they get next time? 

[Gnasher 1,783]

5 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

No doubt he/she is a cunt etc etc etc. 

Who? dog biscuit or the Barrister? 

[Rico1304 6,821]

8 minutes ago, Walter Sobchak said:

Israel Mob?? 

Casual racism is fine. 

[Gnasher 1,783]

10 minutes ago, Walter Sobchak said:

Israel Mob?? 

Some members of the freinds of Israel, not all but some. John Mann, Margaret Hodge, Berger, that Obrerham east enders woman, the countdown girl , Smeeth etc cant stand em and make zero apology for it.

 

 

Now the view from the other side

 

 

 

 

 

[Rico1304 6,821]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Some members of the freinds of Israel, not all but some. John Mann, Margaret Hodge, Berger, that Obrerham east enders woman, the countdown girl , Smeeth etc

Jesus. Christ.  

[Numero 6,959]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Some members of the freinds of Israel, not all but some. John Mann, Margaret Hodge, Berger, that Obrerham east enders woman, the countdown girl , Smeeth etc

So, Jews? That’s not really an ‘Israel mob’, those are Jews. In what way do they now have control? This is icky. 
 

By the way, before you try to paint me as some pro-Israeli propagandist, you might take a minute to search my ‘Israel’ and my handle. You’d be hard pushed to find anybody more vocal against the state of Israel over the last 10 years. 

[Walter Sobchak 172]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Some members of the freinds of Israel, not all but some. John Mann, Margaret Hodge, Berger, that Obrerham east enders woman, the countdown girl , Smeeth etc cant stand em and make zero apology for it.

 

 

Now the view from the other side

 

 

 

 

 

Please stop.

[Captain Howdy 991]

51 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

What the fuck I done? 

 

[Gnasher 1,783]

3 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

So, Jews? In what way do they now have control? This is icky. 

As I said 'some' freinds of Israel. If they are jews or not is irrelevant. I'll throw Jess Phillips in if it makes you feel better. 

 

 

[Nelly-Torres 6,871]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I've no problem with the Starmer apology, he seemed to be handling it well until he became all macho and boxed himself in, he gave the Israel mob the incentive to call the shots and they well and duly took it. He is now under their control.

I don't think he's under anybodies control. 

 

But, he's definitely made a rod for his own back with the Corbyn suspension (that wasn't his decision...or something or other...). That CAA complaint letter contains a few more examples of the same thing Corbyn was suspended for - questioning if people were using the antisemitism issue for political capital/exaggerating the true extent of the problem. 

 

So, by suspending Corbyn, Starmer simply HAS to suspend these others too. In the interests of Rico's favourite C word (consistency, not cunt). If he doesn't suspend these others, the fallout could be damaging. The antisemitism campaign groups will be asking why they weren't suspended. The "left" will be asking why it was just Corbyn who was suspended and not others. 

 

Then, if he does suspend them, there'll likely be questions of why he didn't suspend them beforehand, given that their complained of conduct is historical in some cases. There'll be opportunists on the right saying that he's only acted now as it was politically convenient to do so, but he was happy to tolerate this conduct in the past? 

 

It'll be interesting to see how Starmer manages the can of worms that he's opened by suspending Corbyn. 

 

On the issue of winning back votes in the north, I think his positioning as a remainer might make that difficult. You only have to look on social media at the amount of Union Jack avatar profiles calling him a "paedo defending remainer" to acknowledge that it might be difficult getting those northern votes back.