Keir Starmer

[Red Phoenix]

8 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

Out of interest, do you know how popular Corbyn was when he left? 

 

I don't give a fuck how popular he was according to whatever polls after years of smears. Watch Dogs Legion has arrived in the post too so I'm out of here.

 

After what Starmer has just done there's no fucking way I'd ever go anwyhere near voting for him. I honestly think after what I've seen of him so far that if he thought he could get away with it with enough media back up and not face the shit Blair did he'd even be fine going on a Middle East bombing spree like Tony did if he was in power. So he can fuck off. That's honestly how much I trust him at this point.

[ZonkoVille77]

42 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Has anyone got a clue what Starmer's plan is? All I can think is he's trying to shape the Labour Party into something a bit more palatable for the racist, right-wing tax-dodging billionaires who own the newspapers, while sitting back for 4 years, watching the Tories make such an unholy mess that the papers will want a (cosmetic) change in 2024.

 

I hope I'm wrong. 

 

In other words, more Tory lite?

 

Corbyn wasn't the answer. But Starmer absolutely isn't the answer. Complete mess really.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I don't give a fuck how popular he was according to whatever polls after years of smears. Watch Dogs Legion has arrived in the post too so I'm out of here.

 

After what Starmer has just done there's no fucking way I'd ever go anwyhere near voting for him. I honestly think after what I've seen of him so far that if he thought he could get away with it with enough media back up and not face the shit Blair did he'd even be fine going on a Middle East bombing spree like Tony did if he was in power. So he can fuck off. That's honestly how much I trust him at this point.

Indeed, might as well long him up for pre-crimes, the warmongering CUNT.

 

In other news, he has pledged to introduce a Prevention of Military Intervention Act to prevent illegal wars and put human rights at the heart of foreign policy. 
 

This is one of the worst cases of ‘did something to somebody I like so must be bad’ I’ve seen in a while. 
 

Enjoy your game. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

In other words, more Tory lite?

 

Corbyn wasn't the answer. But Starmer absolutely isn't the answer. Complete mess really.

Tory heavy, I reckon. It’s his policy of [insert fantasy here] that really sets him out as a Tory. 
 

Out of interest, why do you think he (leader of socialist youth group) didn’t just join the Tories? They love an establishment figure with a knighthood there. He’s probably be PM by now. Why hold himself back in order to inflict Tory-lite onto the Labour Party? 

[Red Phoenix]

5 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Deflect all you want, I was being too kind. He already is a laughing stock. The election results back it up, his handling of a whole host of issues whilst being leader back it up. All the evidence that you could ever need is there.

 

We're in a backwards, propaganda riddled right wing country where a socialist leader has just been hounded out of the party he led by some trilateral commission cunt after years of smears for the crime of being socialist and daring to oppose Israel, and you're gloating about it. So I don't give a single fuck what you think on this subject.

 

Time for Watch Dogs Legion.

[Captain Howdy]

I think Starmer will win the next election. Come at me.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

Are you suggesting he’s looking like neither? He’s the most popular leader since the last leader to win an election, he has pledged a lot of alternatives to the Tories, and has just shown he’s a credible leader willing to deal with the mess he inherited. So I think you’re fibbing when you say you’ll settle for those things. You seem to be concocting a ‘he’s a Tory’ fantasy. Why? 

Let's agree to disagree on his credibility and the degree to which he's presenting an alternative. 

 

And no - I'm not "concocting a 'he's a Tory' fantasy".  I'm expressing a "he's not a good leader" opinion.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Captain Howdy said:

I think Starmer will win the next election. Come at me.

Not without some serious grovelling to Corbyn, he won’t. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

15 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

No, but for fuck sake don’t let that stop you - in the absence of a plan to counter it - from making out that he’s a Tory in a different cosmetic package. You’ve got a good few years to beat that drum before anything is released to counter it, so now is the time.

Steady now.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

A few Twitter politics folks are saying that there might be a reaction from Unite. Didn't they just reduce their Labour party funding, before today's purge happened? 

[Section_31]

The whole thing is fucking tragic, Corbyn seems a good man, Starmer seems decent, the party is filled with good people (and some shitbags too) but this shouldn't be the fight, the fight should be against the Tories yet here we are. What a disaster. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, AngryofTuebrook said:

Let's agree to disagree on his credibility and the degree to which he's presenting an alternative. 

 

And no - I'm not "concocting a 'he's a Tory' fantasy".  I'm expressing a "he's not a good leader" opinion.

Okay, in what way is he a bad leader and what should he have done instead? 

[ZonkoVille77]

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Section_31 said:

The whole thing is fucking tragic, Corbyn seems a good man, Starmer seems decent, the party is filled with good people (and some shitbags too) but this shouldn't be the fight, the fight should be against the Tories yet here we are. What a disaster. 

It’s a shame that this was something he had to deal with. That said, he knew he’d have to clean this mess up when he ran, so it’s up to him to deal with it. Did you see his speech today. Very good, I thought. After a few weak performances at PMQ this was good. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

I think Corbyn should have just kept it short and sweet in his initial statement. Appreciate he may want to clear his name but he's dropped (another) bollock.

 

Those calling for him to leave and start a new party are living in Fantasy land. He'll never get the votes to even challenge the main two. He'll be lower than the Greens and Lib Dems.

 

Starmer, I'm no fan at all, has done the right thing. He needs to change the party's image, to make it more elective and appealable. While Jeremy's policies were what I would like to have seen, this country needs bringing to centre and being taken ou of Tory hands. If Starmer hadn't have suspended him then it is just business as usual.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

I think Corbyn should have just kept it short and sweet in his initial statement. Appreciate he may want to clear his name but he's dropped (another) bollock.

 

Those calling for him to leave and start a new party are living in Fantasy land. He'll never get the votes to even challenge the main two. He'll be lower than the Greens and Lib Dems.

 

Starmer, I'm no fan at all, has done the right thing. He needs to change the party's image, to make it more elective and appealable. While Jeremy's policies were what I would like to have seen, this country needs bringing to centre and being taken ou of Tory hands. If Starmer hadn't have suspended him then it is just business as usual.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This with nobs on. 

[Gooch]

To be fair if you're going to take on the Corbynites now is the time to do it. The election is way off, Starmer just needs to make sure this whole charade doesn't drag on too long. Make it quick and decisive.

[Section_31]

I disagree that Corbyn wouldn't get a lot of votes if he started another party, or if someone did along those lines. I think the country needs that kind of politics in some fashion, I don't think it would win in this era, or be able to come anywhere near forming a government (which was my bugbear with it, it was a good place to fume but had no practical value in terms of turfing out the Tories - which should be the goal) but there does need to be a radical left voice in the country campaigning to change the debate and to move the goalposts for what's considered 'normal'. 

 

In an ideal world, I'd want a centre left Labour party that says and does the right things, smiles and drinks prosecco, wins your trust and eventually has a chance of getting into power. But in the garage I want hard men tooling up for urban warfare, ready to turf the ruling class out into the streets and the cold we know so well. Down with the royals, the bankers and all those other cunts. The type of wanker who ousted Dennis Skinner from his seat after 50 years though, can not be made aware of these plans. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

Okay, in what way is he a bad leader and what should he have done instead? 

He has failed to unite the party. The strength of the party comes from all shades of opinion working together.  It was a key failure of the Corbyn era that he could never unite the right-wingers in the PLP and the left-wingers in the wider party. Starmer's job had to be to bring the two together; instead, he's picked a side and attacked the other side. 

 

The three big challenges he's had to respond to are the Government's disastrously corrupt & negligent handling of the pandemic; the Black Lives Matter movement; and Brexit. He's not provided proper leadership on any of these things.

[sir roger]

Seems like Starmer may be finding, as Corbyn did,  that this issue is like nailing jelly to the wall. Within an hour of the report being issued  the CAA has presented him with a 72 page dossier demanding 32 Labour mps including Angela Rayner,have the whip removed. As my mum always said, much always wants more.

[Red_or_Dead]

13 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

The whole thing is fucking tragic, Corbyn seems a good man, Starmer seems decent, the party is filled with good people (and some shitbags too) but this shouldn't be the fight, the fight should be against the Tories yet here we are. What a disaster. 

Spot on, whilst the Tories are all laughing at Labour.

 

[Captain Howdy]

2 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Seems like Starmer may be finding, as Corbyn did,  that this issue is like nailing jelly to the wall. Within an hour of the report being issued  the CAA has presented him with a 72 page dossier demanding 32 Labour mps including Angela Rayner,have the whip removed. As my mum always said, much always wants more.

Ha, my mum used to say that as well. I say it now

 

[The Guest]

The delusion is that Starmer is in control of any of this.  If he turns out to be as right wing as a few of us believe him to be then the right wing corporate media will tell you the anti Semitic image will have disappeared and you will lap it up.  If he comes out and basically repeats the Corbyn manifesto or something similar at election time then he will be as racist as Corbyn if not worse and all the same shit will be thrown at him and then the same people will be in here telling us he was a bad leader and he should have controlled the media image better etc.

[Gnasher]

16 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

Okay, in what way is he a bad leader and what should he have done instead? 

Erm after today's events can I take a wild guess?

[SasaS]

2 hours ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

Keir Starmer, a man more Tory-like than Tony Blair could ever have wished to be. It's a no from me. But I will enjoy the collective orgasm of centrists on twitter and the MSM today, celebrating a phantom moral victory. 

Will you, though?