Keir Starmer

[sir roger]

6 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Certainly another 'interesting' by- election result for Labour under Starmer; definitely a case of tactical voting but considering the Labour Party were going in hard on the Lib Dems right till the end it's hard to gauge how much? Labour lost half its vote and the Libs would've won anyway so they won this fair and square..

 

 

 

 

 

Surely the self-centred , Royston Vasey-lite type of seat that we were told would respond to Starmer once he got rid of he who can't be named. How in hell did he let the most Remain party go past him and see his own vote collapse ? Getting rid of the local guy who had fought the last 3 elections because he was suspected of harbouring socialist tendencies , and imposing an empty Savile Row suit from Birmingham was a big help. 

[Megadrive Man]

Most traditional Tory voters are very unlikely to switch directly from Tory to Labour.  The Lib Dems are seen as a halfway house to demonstrate that they are pissed off with the current Tory government. As soon as the Tories put a Rishi Sunak or Jeremy Hunt type in charge they will nearly all flock back to their beloved Blue party. 

 

 

 

[Rushies tash]

43 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Most traditional Tory voters are very unlikely to switch directly from Tory to Labour.  The Lib Dems are seen as a halfway house to demonstrate that they are pissed off with the current Tory government. As soon as the Tories put a Rishi Sunak or Jeremy Hunt type in charge they will nearly all flock back to their beloved Blue party. 

 

 

 

Best thing Labour could do right now is cut a deal with the Lib Dems to only stand in seats they have a chance of winning, form a coalition and push through a form of PR to rid us once and for all of the minority government shit show that is FPTP.

[Gnasher]

Just scrolling down on Labour's by-election results under Starmer and fuck me it's grim reading, the only one they did ok was Batley and that was because they had Jo Cox's sister and Hancock resigned that week after the cc tv video, otherwise they'd have lost that as well. 

 

I think Starmer and Labour may regret voting with the government on vaccine passes, if they had opposed Johnson would now be toast..as for the greater good, some would argue that the greater good would be to get the buffoon ousted from 10 Downing Street as soon as possible. Opposition party's are there to oppose.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

32 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Just scrolling down on Labour's by-election results under Starmer and fuck me it's grim reading, the only one they did ok was Batley and that was because they had Jo Cox's sister and Hancock resigned that week after the cc tv video, otherwise they'd have lost that as well. 

 

I think Starmer and Labour may regret voting with the government on vaccine passes, if they had opposed Johnson would now be toast..as for the greater good, some would argue that the greater good would be to get the buffoon ousted from 10 Downing Street as soon as possible. Opposition party's are there to oppose.

Of all the issues that Labour have needed to come out swinging on, Covid passes really isn't the one.

Opposing Covid passes is siding with selfish bellends who refuse to do anything to protect the health of the people around them. That's not the side Labour need to be on.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Of all the issues that Labour have needed to come out swinging on, Covid passes really isn't the one.

Opposing Covid passes is siding with selfish bellends who refuse to do anything to protect the health of the people around them. That's not the side Labour need to be on.

I agree on the other restrictions, ie I always wear mask in public but I'm not convinced on the passes, but that's for the Covid thread. Talking of being selfish I would've enjoyed seeing Johnson get the boot before Christmas because I can't see how he'd have survived.

[Barrington Womble]

47 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Just scrolling down on Labour's by-election results under Starmer and fuck me it's grim reading, the only one they did ok was Batley and that was because they had Jo Cox's sister and Hancock resigned that week after the cc tv video, otherwise they'd have lost that as well. 

 

I think Starmer and Labour may regret voting with the government on vaccine passes, if they had opposed Johnson would now be toast..as for the greater good, some would argue that the greater good would be to get the buffoon ousted from 10 Downing Street as soon as possible. Opposition party's are there to oppose.

Is getting rid of Johnson for the greater good? Surely starmer is playing a game to win the next election which can still be 3 years away and not have small victories along the way. Right now Johnson is a liability, the longer he's a liability the better I would have thought. For the nation, nobody lined up to replace him will be better for the rest of us, in fact it could mean the right get one of their candidates. 

 

Only a few months ago Johnson was dropping things as he didn't want to get it passed with labour support. That has changed and the Tories are infighting, but absolutely petrified of getting rid of Johnson because they know he's been electoral gold and don't know why (which is not unreasonable, who understands it). But they'll be reluctant to turn on him even if he's behind in the polls, because he's always proved he's more popular at the election box than he is in the polls.

 

The longer the Tories are fighting with themselves and unable to select the path out, the better it will be for labour. It wasn't long ago it looked like sunak was a shoe in to take over. But his star seems to have faded a bit and we're seeing names like Raab and Truss thrown out there. The longer this drags on, the more riders there will be to try and take over. Again imo, I expect that to be good for labour. 

[Arniepie]

Those local elections in may will tell us a lot. 

I think even after everything that has happened,if there was an election tomorrow, I wouldnt put money on labour winning it.

I don't think starmer is popular enough.

[halewood pete]

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Good luck to her. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/20/jewish-woman-accused-antisemitism-labour-threatens-sue-anti-zionism

[Bjornebye]

38 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Good luck to her. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/20/jewish-woman-accused-antisemitism-labour-threatens-sue-anti-zionism

Here is the eye opener. Listen to this. 

 

 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

So this is the beer that the fat dickhead referenced at PMQ's the other day...

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Good to see Momentum arguing for Socialists to stay in our party.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Seriously, what the fuck goes through the minds of pricks like this?

 

[Mudface]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Seriously, what the fuck goes through the minds of pricks like this?

 

Bit weird. Is there a specific problem he has?

[Bruce Spanner]

1 minute ago, Mudface said:

Bit weird. Is there a specific problem he has?

Edit: life’s too fucking short.

[Mudface]

Just now, Bruce Spanner said:

Yeah, Keith isn’t St Jeremy.

Oh well. Time to get over that, Starmer's pretty disappointing, but there's no point in distractions while Johnson's on the run.

[Anubis]

Maybe he’s as pissed off as I am that Starmer whipped his MPs to abstain on the welfare cap. 

[Strontium]

Wasn't he expelled from Labour last month? So I guess he doesn't need to pretend to support Starmer any more.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

34 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Wasn't he expelled from Labour last month? So I guess he doesn't need to pretend to support Starmer any more.

All the same, he calls himself a Socialist and at a time that the Tories are on the ropes, he turns his fire on the Labour leader. I'm really far from being Starmer's biggest fan, but there are more important things at stake here.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

All the same, he calls himself a Socialist and at a time that the Tories are on the ropes, he turns his fire on the Labour leader. I'm really far from being Starmer's biggest fan, but there are more important things at stake here.

Yep. I always wonder if they have been given a back handed to stir some shit up. 

[sir roger]

3 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Yep. I always wonder if they have been given a back handed to stir some shit up. 

Back handers by who exactly , in what universe is this likely ?

 

I think the back handers and cushy numbers will be far more prevalent amongst the parliamentary party , than random councillors who are actually hoping Labour would give a shit about the poorer people in society. 

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Back handers by who exactly , in what universe is this likely ?

 

I think the back handers and cushy numbers will be far more prevalent amongst the parliamentary party , than random councillors who are actually hoping Labour would give a shit about the poorer people in society. 

Tories to try and cause deflection, turmoil within etc maybe? Who knows. I wouldn't put it past most MP's to be corrupt as fuck. 

 

I'm not a fan of Starmer either but as Angry says, is now the time to be tweeting shit like that when the tories are on the ropes and the focus is on their cunt leader? It's awful timing. 

[Strontium]

Whoops.

 

MI5 has warned that Chinese government 'agent' has been 'active' in UK parliament, MPs told | Politics News | Sky News

 

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MI5 has warned that a Chinese government agent has been working in parliament "to subvert the processes", MPs have been told.

A letter was sent to MPs by Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle who said MI5 warned him a woman called Christine Lee has been "engaged in political interference activities on behalf of the Chinese Community Party, engaging with members here at parliament".

MI5 said the Chinese lawyer has been involved with MPs and hopeful MPs as well as members of the now-disbanded all-party parliamentary group, Chinese in Britain.

Labour frontbencher and former minister Barry Gardiner has been named as an MP who accepted donations from the Chinese woman, and he confirmed her son was working for him but resigned today.

The MPs' register of interests shows Ms Lee has made about £500,000 in donations to parliamentarians, many of them to Mr Gardiner.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The Israelis will be pissed off to know they've got competition.