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Keir Starmer


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Just now, Neil G said:


What’s that supposed to mean? Are you genuinely saying you think everyone on the left accepts Israel’s right to exist?

 

I’m not trying to be provocative, there’s nothing wrong with supporting a binational state instead of a two-state solution. I genuinely don’t know where you’re coming from here though, you’re acting as if acknowledging what I’ve said is somehow surrendering ground to the anti-Corbyn / anti-left crowd.

No, I made a statement that I don't know anyone who doesn't think Israel "shouldn't exist" you then countered it. I said 'ok' because I don't believe we will agree. If that's ok like. 

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3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

No, I made a statement that I don't know anyone who doesn't think Israel "shouldn't exist" you then countered it. I said 'ok' because I don't believe we will agree. If that's ok like. 


That’s fine, it just came across a bit snarky from you. Apologies if you didn’t mean it that way.

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10 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That "unite the party" project is going swimmingly.

 

 

I'm not sure if he under the assumption that labour voters are just going to vote for him no matter what direction he takes the party,or he is hoping to make inroads into grassroots tory dissatisfaction with Johnson.

Said it before but I've voted labour all my life but I certainly wouldmt vote for him.

I'm guessing I'm not the only.one.

 

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14 hours ago, sir roger said:

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Starmer is part of the political establishment.

A chameleon is a type of lizard.

Suggesting that members of the political establishment are lizards is a well-known conspiracy theory.

People who buy into those conspiracy theories often also buy into anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

Steve Bell is an anti-Semite.

QED.

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23 hours ago, Anubis said:

Is it any wonder the Tories have free reign. Always picking the wrong fights.

 

 

 

 

Awful question to be asking anyway, but phrasing it as "Who has control - lovely mild-mannered reasonable Moderates or evil bastard bullying Hard Left Commies" is, shall we say, a tad leading.

 

If you really have to ask whether one faction or the other has control of the CLP, a more accurate description would be "Social Democrats or Democratic Socialists" - but using those terms exposes how absurd, petty and pointless all the in-fighting is.

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Starmer has got his flaws but someone who makes it to the top of the state legal profession you'd hope probably understands the dangers of taking gifts and payments from the wrong people.

 

It's easy to brand him as Blair mark II, and in some ways maybe he is in terms of the way he's trying to woo business etc (although let's not forget king in the north Burnham launched his last leadership campaign in the city), but Starmer has never struck me as a money grubber who'd consult for Saudis and attend the paid opening of an envelope, I'd say there's more Brown in Starmer than Blair, in that sense at least.

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The government mired In corruption.and Johnson doesnt even bother attending parliament. 

 

It was great to see kier give it to him both barrels 

It was so refreshing  to see him hold johnson to account as she spoke with passion and verve. I fail to see how anyone could not be thoroughly inspired by the way he spoke and he clearly is so angry at what Johnson and his ilk are getting upto

 

 

Ahem

 

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8 hours ago, Mudface said:

Probably an outlier and won't last, but at least it's something.

 

 

If that poll was accurate, Labour would be the party with the majority of seats but without an overall majority, and Johnson would be at risk of losing his seat. Other significant Tories that would lose their seats are Duncan-Smith, Steve Baker and Theresa Villiers.

 

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I'm still not too fussed on polls and never was when the Tories were leasding, I think if and when an election comes it will be a case of as you were in the north though, the red well stuff was one off Brexit shite IMO.

 

I also think that, as I've said on here before, crafting such an unequal society as we have in the UK takes a degree of subtlety and Machiavellian genius which Johnson and his cabinet of half wits don't have. 

 

To maintain a system where, in 2021, kids use foofbanks and people still live in castles - but nobody riots - takes some carefully planned social engineering involving the media and overton windows out the ass. 

 

Johnson doesn't care enough to maintain the pretence, and that's why he's very very dangerous for these people. These supposed Tory MPs who were unhappy with his corrupt shenanigans last week weren't fuming because he did it, they were fuming because it was noticed.

 

 

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There is no way Johnson will be in charge at an election. They’ll look to reboot as soon as reasonably practical. Ditch Johnson, lay everything at his door, tell everyone they’re  under new management and how different things will be, and throw a few bones to people.

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I’ve said it on here in the past, I’m generally pretty suspicious of the polling companies. I strongly suspect they are more about influencing opinion than about reflecting opinion. If look at who are behind the polling companies, they are very much of a Tory persuasion.

 

Johnson has fucked things for the Tories, the only surprise is that it’s taken this long for huge numbers of people to take an interest. But that’s how this country operates, most people don’t give a shit until it affects them. Rising taxes and prices affect most of us, and as long as that’s happening the polls will reflect a fall in support for the government.
 

His handling of that Paterson situation was his biggest own goal yet though. It’s now shone a light on the rest of his corrupt MPs, putting at risk their nice little sidelines and demonstrating how much they take the piss. His own party will be the ones who decide when he is done, and this is just the type of thing that will push them to pull the plug.

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