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2 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

That depends, are you going to try to control what I post with negs

A neg isnt trying to control what you post, its disagreeing and or disliking what you post. I've never seen anyone react to a neg like you. 

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6 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Not "every major Socialist". There are plenty of Socialists who recognise the benefits of Internationalism and greater rights for workers & consumers and environmental protection, but... you know what? Someone ought to start a thread about this.

Ahh not against 'internationalism" Angry. Far from it, in fact the complete opposite, eg why should a nurse from the Philippines not be afforded the same rights as a nurse from say Belgium? The EU is a closed shop, it is the nemesis of Internationalism.

 

Im starting to think you're pretending to be this naive on purpose. 

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2 minutes ago, A Red said:

A neg isnt trying to control what you post, its disagreeing and or disliking what you post. I've never seen anyone react to a neg like you. 

Don’t pretend I react to negs. I virtually never react to negs. I don’t give a fuck about negs. You just need to read back to see what your actually negging and what you’re doing. I’m not reacting to a neg, I’m reacting to an attempt to influence what is posted. In short, fuck you. 

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13 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Don’t pretend I react to negs. I virtually never react to negs. I don’t give a fuck about negs. You just need to read back to see what your actually negging and what you’re doing. I’m not reacting to a neg, I’m reacting to an attempt to influence what is posted. In short, fuck you. 

I was just negging you cos I didnt like what you posted. Thats all it was you silly billy.  

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3 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Beaten into 4th by the Greens, I can't say I expected that.

 

I suppose the real test will be in a fortnight.

Hilarious tweet from Ed though. 
 

Congratulations to @SarahGreenLD who has just sent a shockwave through British politics. If @libdems can beat the Tories here, we can beat them anywhere. The blue wall can be smashed by @libdems

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22 minutes ago, Anubis said:

A drop from 7166 votes to 622 votes is a little unhelpful though.

No doubt about that. Though there’s a few reasons for it and only one of those is that Starmer’s Labour is limping like a three-legged dog with a splinter in one foot. The others are a lower turnout, four more parties than previously entered, big swings to the LDs (excellent from the LD candidate BTW, though Ed’s tweet was… optimistic), and generally no fucks given by Labour. 12.x% down to 1.6% is not the best run out ever. That said, this really isn’t the one to worry about. It’s the next one. That’s going to smart for Starmer, because if they lose it then the vultures start circling and if they win it, it’ll be narrowly. 
 

 

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11 minutes ago, Mudface said:

6544 people must have read those pledges.

Or a large portion of the 6544 voted tactically against the tory?  Sounds a bit far fetched but I'd suggest my theory is more plausible than yours. If I was a lifelong Labour voter in that constituency I'd have probably voted lib dem. In fact I think Labour should consider pulling candidates out of seats they have little chance of winning at the next election.

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12 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Or a large portion of the 6544 voted tactically against the tory?  Sounds a bit far fetched but I'd suggest my theory is more plausible than yours. If I was a lifelong Labour voter in that constituency I'd have probably voted lib dem. In fact I think Labour should consider pulling candidates out of seats they have little chance of winning at the next election.

Probably several different factors for it. Just one is the swing to LDs, which will likely be in part to what you say - tactical voting. Hard to know for sure, I guess. 

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9 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Read an article in either the Guardian or Indy a week or two back saying rhere was a tacit agrement that Labour wouldn't actively campaign here while the LD's looked at their shoes in Batley and Spen

@Strontium Dog™ - Any view on the above? 

 

That'd be interesting. There was a video on a centre/centre-left pact to beat the Tories, but I didn't watch it. 

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7 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Read an article in either the Guardian or Indy a week or two back saying rhere was a tacit agrement that Labour wouldn't actively campaign here while the LD's looked at their shoes in Batley and Spen

Good, its the way forward. Plus a lot of Tory voters in the south are against Brexit so would've been swayed to the Lib Dems. Its looking more like pockets in the UK are voting in different ways from normally expected.

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1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

I quite like Layla though only because when she was born Eric Clapton wrote a song about her..which doesn't happen to many people..

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's the direction it's gonna have to go down, that seems to be how it was in the States, you had two factions, Trump and anyone but Trump. 

 

Over here it'll have to be Johnson Tories and anyone but. A few traditional tory types would lend their votes out I suspect.

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32 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Hopefully there is a lot of well organised tactical voting. 

 

29 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Read an article in either the Guardian or Indy a week or two back saying rhere was a tacit agrement that Labour wouldn't actively campaign here while the LD's looked at their shoes in Batley and Spen

I fucking hope so, because that result  (even in a seat that Labour were never going to win) looks baaaaad!  If we hold Batley & Spen, this will be forgotten about. 

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Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If we hold Batley & Spen, this will be forgotten about. 

And rightly so. It does seem a big 'if' though; Galloway targeting this election in the hope Muslims vote for him so that Labour lose the seat is really going to be an unknown factor until the results come in. I'm guessing it might be pivotal. That said, others think the thing that will lose it for Labour is the candidates interview with the s*n. 

 

Exclusive: Labour MPs have backroom row over by-election candidate doing Sun interview

 

A group of Labour MPs have hit out at the party’s candidate in a crucial by-election for doing an interview with The Sun, claiming the piece will cost Labour the constituency

 

Kim Leadbeater, the sister of murdered Labour MP Jo Cox, recently did an interview with The Sunin the lead-up to the Batley and Spen by-election next month – a must win contest for leader Sir Keir Starmer.

 

Cox was MP for Batley and Spen when she was murdered five years ago today by a far-right extremist.

 

Leadbeater told The Sun that her sister “would want me to crack on with life and embrace it with all my heart”.

 

A number of Liverpool MPs and left-wing Corbynite MPs complained about the interview in a parliamentary Labour Party meeting on Monday.

 

They complained that The Sun’s reputation over the Hillsborough Disaster would tar the party’s campaign and that Leadbeater was wrong to do it.

 

There were claims by some at the meeting that the interview would cost Labour the by-election in the Yorkshire constituency.

 

Brent South MP Dawn Butler also reportedly complained about Leadbeater, saying that she was going to campaign in Batley and Spen with six activists but that four pulled out due to the interview.

 

A moderate Labour backbencher said the MPs complaining “still haven’t learnt” from the party’s crushing 2019 General Election defeat.

 

They said: “We need working class people to vote for us and what do they read? They read The Sun.

 

“It has a massive reach and we need to be getting their attention.”

 

A Labour frontbencher said the MPs complaining were speaking “complete nonsense”.

 

“You have to to speak to all the papers, regardless of what you think of them,” they said.

 

“The overwhelming view of MPs in the party was that the interview was a good idea.”

 

Labour has an uneasy relationship with The Sun, with Starmer saying in his leadership campaign last year that he would not do an interview with the News UK publication.

 

Much of Liverpool still boycotts the newspaper after it printed false allegations about the victims of the Hillsborough disaster – something it has apologised for.

 

The newspaper is also a target of hatred for the far left of the party for its attacks on Jeremy Corbyn and other left-wingers.

 

If Labour loses the Batley and Spen by-election it would mark the first ever time a government has gained two seats from by-elections in one parliamentary term, after the Tories’ victory in Hartlepool last month.

 

The Tories have been consistently polling more than 10 points higher than Labour throughout 2020.

 

Leadbeater’s task has been made more difficult by George Galloway who is standing to try and deny Labour a victory in an attempt to oust Starmer.

 

He is running for the Workers Party of Britain and is largely campaigning on the issue of Palestine in the constituency, which has thousands of Muslim voters.

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I can't remember any specific hatred for the S*n over its Corbyn coverage , it was generally styled as the right wing MSM as a whole. If Labour hadn't appeared to take the Muslim vote for granted and be very pro BoD , Galloway would be an irrelevance.

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2 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

@Strontium Dog™ - Any view on the above?

 

Fine by me. Any resistance to alliances and agreements, formal or otherwise, has always been from the Labour side.

 

So long as if Labour lose Batley and Spen, Gnasher isn't on here claiming that the big story of the night is the Lib Dems going from 4% to 1% or something, like he was after Hartlepool.

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